Doctor-Lite but Heavy Themes – Season 2: Lucky Day

Garry: Hey, hey, hey Who fans, welcome to the Big Blue Box Podcast. My name's Garry.

Adam: My name's Adam.

Garry: And this is episode 423.

Adam: Yeah.

Garry: Welcome back, you lot. We hope you've had a cracking week and you've all managed to do something Doctor.

Adam: Doctor Who related. Oh, no, that was. That was too much.

Garry: Bloody hell.

Adam: That was. I. I was just scarred after last week.

Garry: That was. Yeah, not a chance on that one.

Adam: Knocked ya sideway with that one.

Garry: Yeah, we'll have to get back to normal service next week and just doing that a bit properly.

Adam: Yes. So get you this week.

Garry: So seeing as you jumped in and you smashed that one, have you done anything Doctor Who related since last week?

Adam: No. Short and sweet after all that.

Garry: No, nothing. So other than watch our review episode, of course.

Adam: Yeah.

Garry: Oh, yeah, yeah. Right. So another week, another episode. Thank you very much everyone for joining us. As we review, we go through season two and every episode. Hope you checked out last week The Well, our review of that, which was an interesting one, a bit of a middle of the road story for us on that one this week. I honestly don't know how this one's going to go, mate. With you.

Adam: No, same with you, actually.

Garry: Honestly don't know. This could be the end of it.

Adam: Mid. Mid series. Yeah, yeah. Fall off a cliff.

Garry: It could go. Yeah, either way. Or it could be amazing. It could be like, yeah, I'm absolutely looking forward to next week and watching this multiple times. Until then, who knows? Who knows? Before we crack on with the review, as always, if you're a longtime listener, one of the old grizzled ancients, then hopefully you listen and you subscribe already in your podcast app of choice. If you don't. If you're new here, welcome aboard. Make sure you do that so you don't miss an episode when it lands. Every week at the moment as we go through season two plus you get the monthly roundtable episodes as well with the writing team. You can also listen online. BigBlueboxPodcast.co.uk, listen there for free. Plus you can check out all of the reviews and articles from those lot. And we're on the socials too. Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, all that stuff. They're a link on our website. Links on the website. Hit those. Connect with us, Give us a like and a follow. We chat plenty of Doctor Who throughout the week in between the episodes. So come and connect with us over there. And we have a really cool free Discord server. Hop in there, chat plenty of Doctor Who. Always. Lots of chat around the current season that's on at the time. Or collecting merchandise, events, big finish, all of that stuff. Hop in there and chat. Plenty of Doctor Who. And don't forget to remember to check out my co host channel on YouTube. It is of course, the Geeks Handbag.

Adam: The Geeks Handbag, that's me. I'm on all the socials under the same name. And yeah, go check me out. The Geeks Handbag indeedy.

Garry: So that's enough about us. Let's dive straight in with this week's review. Dude, what we got?

Adam: Yeah. So here we are, episode four and it's called Lucky Day.

Trailer: A year ago it marked its prey. Now something new. Aren't you scared and running? Why? Because it likes the taste. There's something out there. We're a team, like you and the Doctor. What the hell is going on? They're after Who? Monsters. Unto you to pieces. The Shriek Wipe out this entire village

Garry: Action packed trailer.

Adam: Dude, we're halfway through the series. How. How this. This makes me feel like eight episodes is just not enough. I feel like it's. I don't know. Just can't believe it. Episode 4 already.

Garry: Just can't believe it. I can't believe we're over it.

Adam: I don't believe it.

Garry: Yeah, it does feel a bit like time zipped along, doesn't it? Excuse the pun. We are at Lucky Day this week though, and it was broadcast this Saturday, just gone third of May. Usual runtime for season two, about 45 minutes. It was written by not Russell T Davis this week, but Pete McTighe, directed by Peter Hoar and stars obviously Ncuti Gatwa, Verada Sethu, Millie Gibson's back this week as Ruby and a reasonably sized cast of supporting actors. And the synopsis is Ruby Sunday faces life back on Earth without the Doctor. But when a dangerous new threat emerges, can Ruby and unit save her new boyfriend Conrad from the terrifying shriek? Question mark? So, bud, bit of a Doctor Light story, this one. Ruby's back and it all gets a little bit tense as we get to see Conrad's true intentions, etc. So, Buddha, what are your thoughts on this one?

Adam: Well, it was great to see Ruby back, I have to say. I think Millie Gibson has been a little shining star in this new in brackets era of Doctor Who. I think she's great. Honestly, mate, I just. The highlight for me so far of. Of this sort of era. So great to see her back. We'll talk perhaps a bit more about her later, but Just gonna say off the bat, I thought she was great. The episode has really, really left me conflicted, though, and I have watched it twice because I was hoping I might have a more definitive feeling towards it if I watched it again, because when I watched it, I watched it on Sunday night. I was up and down throughout the whole episode. I. I found the beginning a bit slow and then the, the twist in the middle kind of woke me up and I was like, oh, I'm invested in this, this is good. Then I found the stuff at the end quite uncomfortable with Comrades, you know, being sort of having the wall set on him and, oh, I don't know, I was just up and down and I thought, well, I'll give it another watch and just, you know, let it all sink in. And I still feel a bit the same. There's, there's, there's stuff in it I really like and there's stuff in it that really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. So I think I enjoyed this week. I think that I do like the actual premise of the episode and, and even though I knew Comrade was going to turn out to be bad, I still found the twist a bit. Oh, it was something different. It wasn't quite what I was expecting it to be. You know, when they took the masks off and, and it was, you know, they weren't monsters. It was people doing it for social media and stuff. It wasn't the story I was expecting. So in that sense I enjoyed that bit, but I don't know, there were bits I didn't enjoy and there was a lot of stuff I was questioning, especially on a second watch, you know, a lot of plot holes. Why did this happen? How did he get. Why was he doing this? If so, I don't know, mate. I'm a bit. I'm. I'm hoping as we talk through, I'll actually try and make some concisive decision on whether I actually enjoyed this or not. But I think I did. Overall, I just have a lot of issues with it as I'm going through it. Does that make sense as a Doctor Light episode? I think it was pretty decent, but, yeah, I don't know, man. There was, there was just stuff that I just didn't sit right with me in this story. So. I don't know. Let's talk about it. Let's tell me what you thought of it.

Garry: Yeah, similar to you, mate, I think it's another week, another episode where I'm flip flopping between did I think this was a good episode or did I not really enjoy it. I think. I think this is the most frustrating Doctor Who has been in a while for me, this season in particular, because I've not consistently enjoyed an episode from start to finish. Yeah, I get like two minutes in and I think, oh, this is going to be a belter. This is really good. And then at the drop of a hat, I'm like, okay, this is not good. And then five, 10 minutes later, I'm like, oh, this is amazing. It's great. I love this bit. So maybe we. I don't know, maybe that's just how TV should be. I don't know, a bit of a roller coaster, a bit of an up and down and you don't get this sort of constant up of everything being cool. And I'm not sure. But there was. There were some things. Again, there were some things in episode that I really liked, as been the case for the last few weeks, and there's been some bits that just didn't land for me. Overall, I would say it wasn't too bad. It wasn't too bad. It was an okay watch. It was better than last week for me. And. Yeah, but there's just some weird script choices and some weird character choices that. Yeah, yeah, the biggest one being Ruby, which we'll come on to in a bit. But. But overall, just. Yeah, just a fairly decent episode, this one.

Adam: This is the weird thing about this series so far with me, mate. If you were to ask me, is it better than last series shooters, last series, I'd say, yeah, miles better. Okay. And then you'd say, well, are you enjoying it? Yes, I am. But why do I sound like I'm being negative every week? I don't know. Because something. It's almost like it's. It's there, but it's not there. I can't quite pinpoint what it is. That's just. It feels to me like every week it's so close to being really good, but then it just falls off a cliff for me. So, um. So it's a weird one, mate, because I've enjoyed all four episodes of the series so far, a lot more than the last series, but they just haven't quite held together under scrutiny. And maybe that's the thing. Maybe it's because we're reviewing them rather than just watching them. You know, it's. It's always a different thing. If you're watching an episode two just for, you know, putting something on in the background or an episode just to enjoy, you'll overlook all plot holes and Things, but I guess because I'm watching it to review and I'm looking for plot holes and I'm looking for things to, to be critical about as well as praise, maybe that's why. But I don't know, something is just not. It's like that final piece of the puzzle is not quite fitting in with the rest of it somehow with this series. But it is odd because I am enjoying it for the most part and that kind of sums up my feelings towards this episode as well.

Garry: Yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you mean. Exactly. That it's almost like you see the trailer beforehand and you think, oh, that that looks really cool. And then you look at some info about it as we do, as who fans, we look at some extra info about it. Not spoilers, but you know, we just clued up, I guess more than your average or Joe public fan. And, and on paper it looks amazing. The ingredients are there and you think, okay, yes, it's going to be a good one. But then like you say, you get to the end of the episode and you're like, I enjoyed that, it was a, it was a decent watch. But why do I not feel like I've just experienced an amazing episode of Doctor Who?

Adam: Why am I not buzzing to watch next week?

Garry: Yeah, like when you and I were going through. So on our other podcast, Federation Strike, which is about Blake 7, when you and I were going through that, we were just like itching to get on to the next episode, weren't we? Yeah, we bulk recorded most of it. We did two a week. And then on that, after that second episode, towards the end of the week we were like, mate, I really want to go and watch the next one now. But I know if I do that I'll forget a lot of key moments when we come through it next week. Whereas at the end of these Doctor Who episodes, I'm just really like, we've got a, We've got a WhatsApp chat with the writing team. So like a big blue box WhatsApp and a couple of people over the last few weeks since this season has started, they've messaged in there on a, on a Saturday probably mid morning lunchtime and said, so who's watched the episode? What do you think? And my reply is, well, I'm not watching it until tomorrow or I'm not watching it until, you know, later tonight or whatever. I just don't have that sort of drive to get on it and watch it as ASAP like I would have done previously. I'm just not Like, I didn't watch this one for the first time until Monday night.

Adam: Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah.

Garry: So, like. And I wasn't, like, stacked at the weekend. I could have watched it anytime, but I just wasn't fussed about diving back in and watching the next one, so. Which is weird because, as you say, it's. You're watching it and you're enjoying it and you don't think it's terrible, it's. It's cool. But then you finish watching it and you're like, I'm just not buzzed by it all, you know?

Adam: Do you think, well, having another Doctor light episode is not helping towards. Because, you know, if you love the Doctor and the new companion, you'll tune in just to see them. I mean, I used to say this about the Matt Smith era. I loved his Doctor. So even if we got a pretty average or whatever episode, which happened a lot with his Doctor, it didn't really matter. Same with Capaldi. I still enjoy tuning in to see them, you know, the Doctor and Amy or whatever. But I think, because we're not really getting to know. I mean, I don't feel like I know Belinda at all, really, as a companion, and she's only got four episodes left. Shoot his Doctor. I know we normally come to Doctor later. Maybe I'm just going to get us out of the way. I really liked him to begin with. Do you know, I actually remember thinking, like, towards the start of his. His tenure, that he's got the potential to be my favorite Doctor. I just instantly warmed to him and he had a bit of gravitas and, you know, was showing a bit emotions. I don't know if I've got bored of him or if. Or what, but he's irritating me now. He's. He's almost getting to how I felt about Jody's Doctor. The. You know, at the beginning, he's hardly in this episode. And when he was in it, mate, I didn't like the Doctor. And I am specifically saying the Doctor now. Not shooty the Doctor. I didn't. He was over the top and bouncing off the walls in the first few minutes that he's in it. And then he comes in at the end and gives this what I thought was quite a nasty, smug speech to Conrad, who, yes, was a bleep, but come on, it was just not nice. He kind of leaned in and lectured him. And I didn't like the Doctor at all in this episode, mate. And I think that's affecting my enjoyment of the series as well. We probably should Talk about the story, move on to some positive stuff. I realize I've started off at a bit of a negative footing here, but I feel like I kind of got to get this stuff out the way and just. It's almost like therapy doing a podcast. You know, you need to get this stuff off your chest, so. But yeah, I don't know, mate. As shoot, his Doctor, he's just. He's got. He's just not hitting the mark with me at the minute for whatever reason. I don't know. And it's not his performance. It is. It is the way he's being written and stuff. It's just. I probably will talk more about that speech towards the end because that I really didn't like it. And you might have a different opinion because some people thought it was a great seeing the Doctor turn dark like that. I did not like it one bit. I'm just going to say that. But anyway, we'll probably come on to that bit later, I guess.

Garry: Yeah, no, I know what you mean, dude. Let's. Yeah, let's talk about the Doctor and Ruby up front, because they're. They're the two sort of big ones, aren't they? So even though it was a Doctor light episode, those couple of scenes where Shooty is in it, it's not too bad at the beginning. So, like, when they land in London, I think it's 2007.

Adam: Yeah. New Year's Eve. Yeah. Which was quite a nice premise. I liked that. Yeah.

Garry: Yeah, it's pretty sweet. And. And they bump into a very young Conrad and they have all that stuff and the Doctor's very nice to him and. But you can still see Belinda's frustration at not being in the right year and. And all that stuff. So. Although that was just another example. We said this last week. Well, I said it last week that I feel like every episode is kind of rinse and repeat at this point. So we're having the same conversations. Belinda is frustrated at the same thing, the Doctor saying the same thing back to her and. Or similar things. And it feels a bit samey week on week in that respect. But Shooty was good in that opening bit. Fast forward to the end. And I completely agree with you, mate. There's this bit where it doesn't even feel like the Doctor when. When he's leaning in really close to Conrad and he's, you know, he's giving him his. His future. It feels. In some ways, it does feel like sort of the darker side of Doctor Who, you know, in the past, where We've had, you know, David Tennant's run towards the end where we had the.

Adam: Old Time Lord Victoria stuff.

Garry: Yeah. So, you know, he went a little bit like that, didn't he? We're just a bit ruthless and a bit. A little bit darker, so we've seen these things before, but it just felt very. So if you had, like, on the one end of the spectrum, you have, like, very bubbly, full of energy, shoot his Doctor and all that stuff, and on the other end you've got this here. There was. I think it just went a bit too far. The other end. It didn't feel like I was watching Shooty as the Doctor. I felt like I was watching Shooty playing. You know, if you remove this scene out of the TARDIS and just put it on a street corner somewhere, this would have been like a cool, you know, sort of drama of some kind and that kind of thing. It just felt a lot more mature, a lot more adult and a lot more, you know, nothing particularly wrong with that. But, yeah, I don't know, just felt a little bit out of character for Shooty's Doctor.

Adam: Here's the thing, mate. I quite like it when the Doctor goes a bit dark at times. You know, I do like the whole Time Lord Victorious thing. It was fantastic. When Tenant turns to the bad side in that scene, you know, when he's walking away from the basin, he's like, oh, you know, let's do whatever. I nearly swore that. I'm trying not to swear, but the thing is, and I'm going to just mention our friends at the Doctor show now because they. I don't want them to think I'm copying them, but I just was listening to their show this morning and I absolutely agreed with them. It felt unjustified. And I think that's why I didn't like it, because the Doctor has seen many bad people, many bad things that would have justified that sort of venomous, almost nasty speech telling someone how they are going to die and that, you know, you're going to be this and you'll spend your life rotting in hell. It felt unjustified because, you know, this guy, yeah, he was a bit of a bleep, but he hadn't really. You know, the Doctor's seen a lot worse that would have justified that sort of reaction. This guy had just basically posted some stuff, nasty words on the Internet and, you know, yes, he'd, you know, betrayed, chew his friends, you know, Millie and stuff. But, I don't know, it felt over the top and I think if. If they had been like a really big baddie that had wiped out half the Earth or whatever, you could have thought, oh, here's the Doctor rocking up to put him in his place. But this just felt a little bit tonally wrong for the Doctor to be like that to me, anyway, it kind of. This is what I mean about being up and down throughout the whole episode. I was, like, loving it one minute. This is great. Oh, hang on. How did he get into unit base? I mean, come, uh, you know, and then you get the speech and. Oh, I don't know, man, I had such a. I was such a roller coaster for me in terms of emotions throughout this whole episode, really. I will talk about some of the bits I liked, by the way, listeners. Sorry, I don't want to. I don't want to go too far down this rabbit hole, but I just have to say that, yeah, the, the bit at the end of the speech, I did not like that coming from the Doctor at all. And, yeah, I'm just going to say it felt unjustified, I think, to it too far. Like you said, it was too far.

Garry: I mean, fair play to Pete McTighe for, for going in that direction in the first place, because I think he had to tackle a couple of sort of larger issues in this episode. Right? So we had the whole. The sort of gas lighting effect with Conrad, with Ruby, and we also had the. The wider issue of, like, sort of online echo chambers and. And that's, you know, those groups of people who do nothing but, you know, just want to crap on something. And it's their sort of life mission to. Even if they. Even if it's not true, then. But they believe it's true. It's, you know, they'll. They'll follow it through and try and get as many people in on it as possible to spread hatred and. And lies and all that stuff. So he had a. He had a fairly big sort of almost current issue to try and put in there. And I guess the Doctor being that way with Conrad was a way of, you know, sort of people putting their foot down and saying, you know, what you're doing is wrong, you're hurting people, you're causing harm, and we're losing patience. I think a Doctor even says that. He said, we know we've lost patience, that kind of thing. So fair play to Pete Matai for doing that, for including that stuff in the script. It's. It's very cool, you know, because we've complained in the past about Doctor Who When it gets a bit preachy, sometimes a bit on the nose and. And whatnot. But I think sometimes it does. You know, you can use these things as a bit of a plot device to, you know, to. To tell an intriguing story if it's there. But like we're saying, I think the way that the Doctor handled it at the end, it did feel a little bit unjust. And, yeah, also on a caveat as what you've just said, and with listening to Rob and Dave on the Doctor Who show, we. We're not copying you guys with just, just. I think it's just a general opinion between Doctor Who podcasters and creators. Some people, anyway. Some.

Adam: Yeah, some people loved it, mate. I was gonna say. That's why I was intrigued to see if it was just me. And then I was quite reassured listening to Robin Dave today thinking, oh, those guys are kind of in the same boat as me. Because I think some people thought it was great seeing the Doctor turned out could be like that, because, you know, obviously Con was a, you know, an unlikable character, you know, so it kind of was. You were waiting to see. See him get his comeuppance. But, yeah, I, I don't know, it felt. It did feel a little on the nose to me personally, mate. I, I almost. It reminded me a bit of when Jody turned to the camera that time, started lecturing the audience on the environment. I. I was almost expecting Shooty to turn to the side and look directly at us because it. It was clearly Pete McTeague writing, speaking to a certain demographic of the audience. So, yeah, maybe that's why it rubbed me up the wrong way as well, because I just felt like it was a bit on the nose. But I kind of. I do sort of like what he's getting at in. In terms of, you know, the whole think tank group and the spread of misinformation. I thought that is quite. You know, that's an interesting thing to tackle. So that's what. Again, that's what I mean about being conflicted. I, I like the idea of it. Just not quite sure about the actual execution of that idea in the episode itself.

Garry: Yeah, samesies, mate. Yeah, I didn't.

Adam: Didn't pick up the think tank is from Robot either, did you? I've heard a few people mention that. That, you know, the Tom Baker story. I didn't pick up on that. So handing in my fake fan card right here and now. But that's pretty cool. Like, I like that. Throwback. Yeah.

Garry: Fake fandom.

Adam: Get out.

Garry: Okay, let's talk about. There's nothing else to talk about. Mate with the Doctor because he's only in it for those two scenes, really.

Adam: Yeah. And that was enough for me, to be honest.

Garry: It was also a Belinda Light episode as well, isn't it? Because a lot of times when you have. I say a lot of times, the few times that they've done a Doctor Light episode, it's always been in favor of, okay, the Doctor's off doing something, so we'll leave it up to the companion or the companions to sort of push forward and have their moment and, you know, they'll be the, the hero or the detective of the hour or whatever it might be. But Belinda doesn't even get that. She's just, you know, she's off with a Doctor as well. So it's, it's kind of a. I mean, I'm conflicted about that because it would have been a really cool team up with Belinda and, and Ruby in some respects, but at the same time, this is why I'm conflicted. At the same time. I don't think Belinda would quite be into it. I think she's just more concerned with. She just wants to get home and, and all that stuff. But, but Millie Gibson back as Ruby in this one. I really liked her from last season and it's really cool to see that. It's like she was in it last week. It's almost like she hasn't been away, which is really cool. So her performance was great. And it was, it was, it was a little bit goofy at times when, at the beginning, when she's first, you know, having dates with Conrad and stuff, and they're all a bit giggly and weird. It's a bit like, you know, if you went on to chat GPT and said, write me a. Write me a. A clumsy, romantic script for two people who like each other, but of, you know, in that early stage, that's what it would spit out, you know, that kind of, you know, dropping things at the same time and you both kneel down to pick it up and, and you're saying things that are a little bit like, oh, no, I didn't mean that. Oh, it's okay. So it was a bit clumsy, the scripts, you know, for that stuff at the beginning. But her performance, though, was very cool and it was. And she got better as the episode went on, I felt as well. So when we got to. Especially when we got to that bit where they're out in the village, I think it's Conrad's home village. And it all kicks off. The think tank thing comes out and he reveals himself to be this, you know, nasty piece of work. And then UNIT turn up. From that point on, she gets. Really. Gets better for me. So I. She was a highlight for me, mate, in this one.

Adam: Yeah. It's good to see Millie back. I mean, her acting is great. I have to say, she.

Garry: With a caveat, though. Sorry, I will come on to that. Sorry to interrupt, dude. There is one big thing that I wasn't too keen on.

Adam: Oh, no, go for it.

Garry: So I felt like it was a really weird decision for her to suddenly pop up and appear on Conrad's podcast. I felt that was really strange because I get the whole thing that in the world of Doctor Who, everybody knows now that aliens are real in that world, even though it's based on our real world, if that makes sense. In the world of Doctor Who, the. The public knows that the aliens are real. This all goes back to. I think it was the first Christmas special. No. Or the second Christmas special when it's a Donna Noble story and Wilf is like, you know, bloody aliens running about and all that. So everybody knows that it's a thing, which is one. Which is, you know, one side of it, I guess. But it felt really weird that, for two reasons, that Ruby would just suddenly turn up and appear on this guy's podcast. One, that there's only so much that she'd be willing to talk about in the first place, right? So she couldn't go on there and say all these details about the Doctor and about unit, as you know, it's all top secret stuff and. And all that stuff. And she is a bit cagey anyway. But then secondly later on in this, in the episode when they're in the village pub, she says to Conrad that she's not okay. You know, she feels like she's in constant shock because she's got a form of PTSD about all these weird things that happened when she was with the Doctor, but yet before that, she's happy to go on and talk about all that stuff and. And all this. So I just felt like it was a really weird decision for her to first of all go and track this guy down for whatever reason, I don't know. And second of all, like, oh, by the way, while you're here, got some microphone set up over here. Do you fancy a quick chat on my public podcast about all this top secret stuff that you do at unit? And the doctoring thing? So that part of it I found really weird. But.

Adam: And also how if Conrad's like conspiracy theorist and he's got all these followers for exposing things, how did they not know about that? Like the fact. I think the family even said they've been following him and, you know. Or has he got another podcast under the. I just don't know. There was things like that didn't add up. And I agree. I. I thought it was odd that she would go on there to talk about the Doctor, because surely the Doctor, you know, if you think back to Eccleston's first episode, he's trying to wipe himself from, you know, search history and stuff, isn't he wants to be an enigma and you've got unit, who are a secret organization with a great big, you know, Avengers Tower in the middle of London that you seem to be able to get into by coming in the back door. I mean, that was another thing. I'm like, how did Conrad just walk into unit? It just doesn't make sense, you know.

Garry: But yeah, wasn't it, it was his mate that let him in?

Adam: Yeah, yeah, I think it was the guy, wasn't it? I forget his name. That guy. Yeah, that guy that he shoots or ever knocks out. But yeah, I mean, just going back to Millie, it was good to see her back again. I think it's an odd choice in terms of the writing, though, that you've just introduced a new companion this series. You would think if they're going to do a Doctor light episode, they would center it around them so we actually get to know them and get to, you know, warm towards them a little bit. So to have Belinda, literally just a one line, I thought was odd, you know, Although I was absolutely delighted to see Millie back and she was great in. Just seems again an odd writing choice to do an episode around Millie, who is last season's companion. I'll tell you what I did like, mate, though, is that we got to see a glimpse into a sort of a, want of a better phrase, off screen adventure. So we got to see the Millie and the Doctor, you know, on an adventure we've never seen before. So that's kind of a cool little idea that we just get a look into that. But then Conrad sees the TARDIS disappear and he sees all this stuff, but he says he doesn't believe in aliens and doesn't believe in unit, and UNIT are all, you know, it's all fake and yet he's seen all this stuff himself. Anyway, so again, that made me question, well, would, you know, wouldn't it? Why would he think it was all Fake. When he actually has sin, the TARDIS disappear right in front of his own eyes, you know?

Garry: And, dude, I know it's a bit. A bit thin, isn't it? The justification for him being so stubborn and like, yep, this is absolutely the case. That UNIT is fake and the aliens are fake and they're doing it all just to, you know, keep control and on all this stuff. So. But I hadn't considered that, though, that. Yeah, he. He did see the TARDIS dematerialized, didn't he?

Adam: Well, most of this. This, if you want to call it negativity that I'm throwing out here, is coming from a second watch, because, as I said, a lot of it just unfolded when I watched this again. You know, I started to sort of see things that just did not add up. So on a first watch, it kind of went over my head a little bit. But that's. So if I am being ultra critical of this episode, it's. It's probably because I've just rewatched it and I've just noticed a lot of things that just do not align, and that's one of them.

Garry: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just thought about that, actually, as you said it. Yeah, he did witness that stuff. And of course, he saw the shriek when he was. When he saw the Doctor and. And Ruby on one of their adventures that wasn't televised. This is just one of those cool little back. That was pretty cool, actually, that bit where we saw the Doctor and Ruby off doing something that we didn't see in an episode.

Adam: I think she was supposed to be set just after Devil's Cord. Is that right? I don't know.

Garry: Yeah.

Adam: And where. This is where I need you to help me, mate. Where. Where are we when we pick up with Ruby, you know, when she meets Conrad? Is that. That's obviously after the Doctors dropped her off because her mum's at the table. So is that sort of present day?

Garry: No, it's before what we're seeing now with Belinda.

Adam: Oh, yeah, of course it is. Yeah.

Garry: Okay. Yeah, because this is in between. So later on. Well, towards the end, Conrad asked the Doctor, have you met Belinda? That's right, Chandra yet? And he's like, who? He's, like, confused. So it must be in between Ruby and Belinda.

Adam: Yes, yes, that makes sense. Yeah.

Garry: Yeah, I was gonna say. But yeah, go back to. Millie gives a Mate. Very, very good performance, given the writing that she was given. And again, she. She held her own really well, just like she did back in season one with 73 yards. She held her own in that story in that Doctor light. So she's getting a bit of a knack for this, mate.

Adam: I'd watch him. I'd watch a Ruby Sunday spin off. I think Millie's great. She absolutely has the acting chops to be a lead character. I'd be more excited for a Millie Gibson Ruby Sunday spin off than I would be for the Land and the Sea or whatever is. Because, I mean, this is so clearly trying to set up that spin off that's on its way, isn't it? You know, that's the leading. And I mean, we haven't even talked about Kate Stewart yet. Oh, my gosh. Actually, I, I hadn't realized how negative I was going to be on this podcast. But we haven't even got to Kate Stewart yet.

Garry: Let's do it. Sweet. Let's talk about Kate Stewart then, mate. So what's your, what's your gripe there?

Adam: Oh, the acting is just so wooden. I mean, I, I think a lot of people said this was Kate's best episode and I think they might be right in terms of she actually had some, some meat on the bones. You know, I just, I just find her acting so, so wouldn't, mate. I don't know. I mean, at the end when she set the thing free, I, you know, I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't think she's that bad. I'm probably being a bit harsh, but I was like, you know, okay, this is, you know, they are giving us some good stuff here. You know, don't you talk about my dad and all that. But I also found that went on a bit too long. I actually started to feel a little uncomfortable that she was willing to let this thing maul Conrad to death. It again, it sort of started to get play into the sort of dark side of Doctor that I like, but it just pushed it a bit too far for me personally, when he was. It just went on a bit too long, you know, he's like hiding in the thing. And I thought, this is quite unpleasant, actually. Not sure, you know, there's. It's one thing to teach him a lesson. Say, oh, you don't believe. Oh, let me just let him out and introduce him. I thought, okay, yeah, go, Kate. But then it just went on a bit and I thought, nah, this is just getting a bit sadistic now. I'm not sure. I think this is pushing the boundaries a bit in terms of how, you know, the character should be, I think.

Garry: Right. Yeah.

Adam: But then when it bit him on the arm, I did have a little chuckle. This is what I mean. I was up and down the whole way. I was like, oh, that's horrible. Oh, that's fun. That's good. I don't know.

Garry: Yeah, I know I quite like that from, from Kate.

Adam: I think a lot of people did.

Garry: Yeah. I think Kate's character is normally quite by the numbers. She's. She's. It feels like she's a sort of person that has got a rule book knocking around somewhere a lot of the time. So it was nice to have a bit of a change of pace. And the catalyst being the insult to her dad, like, so she. I think the. I think Gemma Redgrave was speaking to Conrad rather than Kate Lethbridge Stewart as a companion to the viewer. And what I mean by that is like, oh, no, you didn't. Like, you did not just insult the brig. So she's kind of acting as. As we all did in that moment, you know, as fans of the Brig, you know, of classic who. It's like, no, you didn't make. You didn't just go there. So it was cool to see a cut loose a little bit and go against the rulebook. But I kind of get what you're saying in that whole scene with the shriek and she's letting it go on and on and yeah, you've even got. You've even got what's his face, haven't you? Saying to. To Lethbridge do it. You're saying, look, this is going too far sort of thing. It's, you know, so I get what you're saying, dude. But it was a cool scene though. And one thing that made me laugh was you saw the shriek go take a chunk out of him and then it cuts off, doesn't it? And you think to yourself, right, how far did that go? Did it maul him to death? Did it, you know, did it not do anything? And I think they report back to. To Kate and say, you know, he's gonna live, he's gonna be fine. So when it cuts to him in the prison cell, I thought he was going to be like head to toe bandages.

Adam: Like the invisible man.

Garry: Yeah, like face half ripped off, all sorts, like in a real bad state. But he's just got an arm band on. Yeah, it's just like, oh, yeah, I'll probably be all right after this bit of a scar there, but I'll be right. They sort of over egged that a bit. But so, yeah, it was. Yeah, she was. But I know what you mean in terms of her acting. Though, mate, she sometimes doesn't have a lot of. I think it's just her natural personality, Gemma Redgrave. I think she doesn't have a lot of. What's the word? A melody to her voice. It sounds a bit monotone at times.

Adam: Yeah, yeah.

Garry: You know, and it sounds so. But I thought she was cool, though.

Adam: Overall, I will agree. Although I'm not the biggest fan of her, of Kate Stewart, I will agree, was it was one of her better episodes, you know, in terms of giving her stuff to do. I'll tell you what this episode needed, mate, to. For me, I needed Morris to be in it. I needed Lenny Rush to add a little bit of humor in between all this sinister, dark stuff that was going on. That's what I needed. Where was Morris? You know, just. Even if that scene where she set the. The creature on Conrad and it's all getting a bit intense and dark, it just needed Lenny to be sort of popping up from behind, you know, the counter, looking a bit scared and going, oh, you know, just something to lighten it up a bit. So I missed him this episode. I don't know where Morris was. I mean, Mel's off in Australia somewhere. We got Shirley Bingham doing a thing, but it needed Morris in this for me.

Garry: Yeah, I think they tried to do a bit of that with Shirley Bingham's character.

Adam: It didn't work for me.

Garry: Yeah, she dropped a couple of little lines when Conrad's got the gun and they're having a good old chin wag and Kate starts to unload a little bit on him. She's getting more and more wound up. She's dropped a little, like. You know, I think you should drop a compliment here. It doesn't. Doesn't really land. We needed Lenny, didn't we?

Adam: Well, I suppose we had the lynx hiding. Now I think about it, he scarpered out of there pretty quick, didn't he? Didn't hang around. Yeah, that stupid robot.

Garry: What did before? We just very quickly run through a couple of other little bits. What did you think to the other main character then, which is Conrad himself. So Conrad Clark, played by. I think I'm saying this right, Jonah Hauer. King. Howard King, I'm pretty sure. And a character that you love to hate. So from that perspective, I think his performance was really good. He. This guy had a really good poker face, basically. Like that first third of the episode where he's all very light and fluffy and he's a bit bumbly, a bit clumsy, but you can tell that he's coming across at least that he's into Ruby and he's doing all that charming stuff and everyone's happy and it's all lovely. And then that bit at the village when it turns out that his mates were just dressed up as the shriek aliens and he pulls his shirt across and his face just changes immediately and his tone changes and his demeanor. A really good performance from that point of view. And then from that point onwards, you are kind of shaking your fist at the TV a little bit and you're like, oh, you're gonna get it soon. And we're all gonna cheer when you, you know, when you get it. So I, I thought he was really good, mate. What do you think?

Adam: Yeah, very, very good. I thought his performance was brilliant because although I, I guessed he was going to be evil, like you said, when he did the switch, when we got the twist, it. It still made me go a little bit woo, you know, he was really. His performance was excellent at the end when he's in the prison cell and then the Doctor turns up and starts giving him that lecture. I mean, I shouldn't have been on his side, but when he said to the Doctor, get off my world, I actually thought, yes, tell him. And I thought, oh, no, I shouldn't be on your side. What am I doing? But I was, because his performance was brilliant and I kind of wanted him to put the Doctor in his place because it is his world, you know, the Doctor's just coming on and mouthing off and so I shouldn't have been on his side, but because his performance. So good. Yeah, I think he was a great choice of actor for that part because he, he managed to switch from, you know, very lovey dovey to really quite a nasty piece of work or a bit of a, as I say, a bleep. We don't want to swear he did it very well. It was a good performance, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was good.

Garry: He was good. And let's mention Mrs. Flood. She makes an appearance at the end, of course, as expected, she's now the. The prison governor. She rattles the keys. It kind of insinuates that she's about to release him because she jangles the keys in front of him. So one would assume, rightly or wrongly, that Conrad is now a free man. I say free. Sort of on the run, as it were. Yeah, and. But yeah, this, this intrigue for Mrs. Flood continues, mate. We still don't know exactly what's going on with her, but, yeah, she's back.

Adam: I. I think I'm in the minority here, but I like seeing her turn up every week.

Garry: I love it. Yeah.

Adam: Oh, good. Yeah. Just. I've seen a few people say they're bored of her and stuff. And. No, I. I thought it's probably my favorite one so far of her being the prison ward. And I loved that when I saw the jangly keys, I was like, here she comes. Yeah. It was another brief appearance, but I loved it. And I am still intrigued by the Mrs. Flood thing. I'm assuming she sets Conrad free. I wonder if this is all going to play into the finale. I get the feeling it might. In terms of Comrade, I feel like we might see him again. I'm not too sure, but, Yeah, I liked Mrs. Flood's appearance this week.

Garry: Same, same.

Adam: I haven't seen anyone mention this, so I've probably got it completely wrong, but did you say. Does she call herself the Governor?

Garry: Right, the Governor, yes.

Adam: What was the thing in Star Beast that the meep said so and so is coming for you? Was that not the Governor or. The Governor will not be pleased or something? Or am I just getting really muddled, mate? Because this only came to me this morning. I'm probably getting it all wrong. Who. Who's the big bad that we. That was mentioned in the Star Beast, or has that already been solved?

Garry: I don't think he said the Governor.

Adam: What did he say? Because there was this thing, wasn't it, that this. Oh, who's the we? Was like this mystery.

Garry: Didn't it turn out to just be the toy maker anyway?

Adam: Oh, was it? I mean, it's probably already been solved.

Garry: I don't know. I know what you mean. I know exactly what scene you mean. When he says, he who shall not be named, or. No, that's Harry Potter, isn't it? But I know which scene you mean. He does have a little dig at the Doctor and says, yeah, that person. But I don't think it's the Governor.

Adam: No. I'm probably. Probably clutching at straws here, but I don't know, it just came to me while I was watching it earlier.

Garry: The old meep.

Adam: Oh, yeah, Mimi. We never did get that toy. I was looking forward to that.

Garry: Oh, the plush canceled. We had some supporting cast members make an appearance. We had Ruby's family, two mums, Nana. Yeah, they provided a bit of comic relief, I guess, towards the beginning. Quite nice to see. It sort of rounded out the whole sort of vibe that Ruby's back, you know, it gave some legitimacy to that because if you just saw Ruby and that was It. It'd be like, okay, didn't want to spend a few bucks now and get the supporting cast members back through his family. But. So that was kind of cool. And then you had Conrad's mates who were reasonably unlikable. And then you understand why they are. Because even when they were trying to be nice to Ruby and stuff, I thought, yeah, because there's a guy, he's a real horrible guy. They're around the. Around the table when he's just finished his pint and he went, you're around Ruby. No, please, no, thank you. Nothing.

Adam: No manners.

Garry: Yeah. And she just jumps up like, oh, no worries. I've been like, you wouldn't have had that if me and Adam were out.

Adam: No, you'd be lucky if you get bought around.

Garry: Exactly. But they were. Yeah, as expected, I guess, but. And then who else? So Shirley Bingham spoke about her. I think that's kind of. I think there was a few other people about little. Little Conrad then at the beginning, mini Conrad, Benjamin Shivers. He was sort of starstruck. Somebody else pointed out on. I've listened to about four different podcasts now on this. Yeah. One of them pointed out that when he went back to his mum and you saw the. That was okay, actually, that bit as. Although it was a hard watch, where his mum sort of clipped him around a year and doesn't really want to pay attention to what he's saying. That leans into the reason why he's grown up the way he is, isn't it? It's. You know, we have this whole. Much bigger subjects of parenting and how that leads to things. And that played on this a little bit in this episode. You know, you had Ruby saying that she's suffering from ptsd, and you can see clearly that Conrad is not had the best upbringing with his mum. And it's that he's manifested that in a much different way. Instead of going inward and being like, Ruby is with her ptsd, he's kind of gone outward with it, and he wants to take that out on the world and. And all that stuff. But the younger Conrad, another podcast mentioned it was weird that he went back to his mum and said, I've just seen the Doctor. And Belinda Chandra is like, what's that got to do with anything? Like, his mum's like, all right, who are these people? I don't care. Who are these people? So that was kind of weird. But, yeah, an interesting setup to the story, though.

Adam: Yeah, I know what they mean. I was gonna say, because I thought was quite a nice little Intro to the story. But yeah, it was. He went back and said, I've just seen a box with a. With a Doctor and a Belinda Chandra like that. Like the kid would. That would mean anything, you know, just met some strangers. But yeah, it. He was a good little actor for that scene, I thought. Yeah. And it was, it was, it was quite. That's what I mean, it was quite a good little intro to the episode because you instantly got, you know, when his mum clips him, you're like, oh, you know, you. You start to sort of warm towards a character and then we see him later as an adult, so you're kind of almost tricked into liking him straight away. So it was a good sort of way to lure the viewer in, I think, to thinking comrade might be good, but, you know, he's not going to be. Yeah, yeah.

Garry: Just two more things on my notes, dude. The first one was the creature, the alien, the shriek. I thought that was reasonably generic in terms of designing an alien for Doctor Who. It's the usual kind of we need. We need an evil alien. So we'll give it red eyes, claws, big teeth, that kind of thing. I wasn't really blown away by that. It wasn't too bad. I thought it was going to be more scary looking than what it was because when you see the build up with the screams and. And all that stuff, I thought it was a bit scarier. So it wasn't too bad. And then the other thing is that I felt like Murray Gold's music went back a little bit to good old times. Various points in this. Quite creepy, quite cool. And then the bit where units turn up in the helicopter and everything like that, that felt very sort of 2007 Doctor Who, you know, that kind of big theme as a unit, sort of pull up and stuff like that. So I've not really been into Murray's music thus far, but I thought this one was pretty sweet this week.

Adam: Yeah, unfortunately, I'm not going to agree. I thought it was okay. No, the only reason I say that mates because I'm on my notes. I've written Units and up at Village, murray's MUSIC CRINGE No, I think it was a bit. It was a bit Thunderbirds. I don't know. I didn't know it didn't work for me. I don't know, maybe I'm just in a really bad mood this week. I don't know. But now I can't agree with you on that one because I wrote it on my notes, so I must have thought it.

Garry: Yeah, I Just thought it was a. It just felt like older Murray Gold with putting some kind of theme there that. Yeah, I don't know.

Adam: I think. I know what you're saying. It was definitely going for a theme rather than a bit of generic music. So, yeah, it was just a bit too. Too. I don't know. Just didn't do it for me.

Garry: Yeah. And what did you think to the Shriek Alien?

Adam: I kind of know what you mean about the design, but I quite like the look of them and I. To be honest, I think my favorite bit of this whole episode is when we started seeing, you know, the. The sort of silhouette of them rising up outside the pub and, you know, before we know that they're actually people in suits. Very Scooby Doo moment. That as well, when they. Yeah, cosplay. But no, I didn't mind the design, but I. I do also see what you're saying about being a bit generic, and maybe that was intentional. But I did like the bit where Kate knocks on the window as well. And that was. That was quite a jumpy moment, you know, when. With the real shriek inside there. All was pretty good, but design wise. I know what you're saying, but I didn't mind it. I thought they looked okay for. For what they were supposed to be. Yeah.

Garry: Yeah. Actually, one last thing I've got on my notes here, and I don't want to go into Too much just 10 seconds on this, because this could be a whole podcast episode in itself.

Adam: Is this a can of worms ready to be opened?

Garry: It is, mate. Yeah. I'm not really feeling I sound such a negative. We sound so negative.

Adam: We are really negative this week.

Garry: I know it's not the case, though. This wasn't a bad episode. But one thing that's not sitting right with me is the fact that the Doctor seems to just change clothes and costumes all the time at the moment. And one thing I'm really missing is going back to. And it does make me sound so bloody grumpy, but going back to, like, older Doctor Who. Not classic, but just, you know, from, I don't know, Matt Smith or even Capaldi, where the Doctor had an outfit and that was it. Like, you knew that the Doctor that you were enjoying was in that particular costume and that was it. The Doctor just wore that. There might be a slight variation here and there, but the Doctor had a costume and that was synonymous with that particular actor pretty much. You know, I think a lot of actors have had an influence and a say in how they want their Doctor to look and they've worked with the designers and everybody and they've come up with their own look. Whereas with shooting, I don't know, it just feels like he's. He's in and out of H and M every week or he's in and out of, I don't know, some designer shop and he's repping all these different things. I don't know, mate. I miss the days where the Doctor had a costume.

Adam: I hear you. I do agree with you to quite a big extent. I mean, I. I liked what he was wearing at the start of the episode. I don't. Again, we probably won't see it again. I don't mind him changing up the costume now and again. I just think it's the frequency of him changing. That's like you said, we. We do like to have the Doctor to have a sort of silhouette, you know, the scarf, the bow tie, something. Yeah. Shooty seems to have a new outfit every other scene. So I don't mind the changing up of the clothes, it's just the frequency that I don't like. So I do agree with you, mate. And I mean, I liked his outfit at the start, but then when he did the lecture thing at the end and he's wearing that white one piece, whatever it was, somebody said he's looked like he just stepped out of cna. And I was like, yes. I did not. Did not like that. I did not like that outfit one bit. That whole white thing. That white outfit. No, no, just. No, I mean, that's what I mean. I did. Maybe I just don't, you know, stood there in that thing and I'm like, where's he off to? Like, what? Where's he going? Yeah, yeah, he's got a hot date. Yeah. So I do pretty much agree with you. You know, I don't mind it as much, but I do agree it'd be nice if. A bit like Eccleston, if they just mixed it up by changing the top, you know, to a different color one week or something.

Garry: Yeah, exactly that.

Adam: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Garry: Anything on your nights, dude?

Adam: Yeah, I got. Trinity Wells was back. I was pleased to see her. I've missed our Trinity. I started to think the act had got another job because she's. There's been moments where I've expected her to turn up and she's not been there, so. Great. They got who plays Trinity Wells, by.

Garry: The way, who is the Trinity Wells is Lachelle, Carl.

Adam: I want to meet her. Does she? Not to any conventions? I love Trinity Wells. Did you think it was cool having the One show and the Masked Singer have their little moments on the show? Because I was surprised to see an ITV show in a BBC show.

Garry: Yeah, it was. It was kind of cool. We've seen that before, haven't we?

Adam: It's very much a Russell thing, isn't it? Yeah, very much a Russell thing. Let me have a look. I've got anything else on my notes. How did Ruby. What? Can't even read my writing? No, I think I'm pretty much done, mate.

Garry: Sure? Yeah. Okay.

Adam: There's something on there about Ruby which I can't read. Blimming it. This is the problem with me writing notes while I actually watch the episode. I really should get myself a. Like you. You've got it all on a computer, so it's typed out nice and neat. I've just got a pad and pen.

Garry: Old school Ruby. Yeah.

Adam: No, can't read it. We'll never know what that note was. It's probably something really positive.

Garry: But look out on the socials for an update from Adam.

Adam: My writing is shocking, mate. Honestly. Yeah. Oh, no, I think it's how old Ruby meant to be. I was trying to work out where this was set. That's what it is.

Garry: Oh, gotcha.

Adam: Yeah.

Garry: All right. Scores. I think it's me to go first.

Adam: Yeah, go for it. Yeah.

Garry: I'm gonna give this a 7.5. 10. As I said, very weird. Come across vocally quite negative on a few things, but I actually thought this wasn't a bad watch at all. Thought it was a good watch, this one. What about you?

Adam: I can just see listeners face palming, going, what? Because this is the thing, probably one of our most negative podcasts in a very long time. And yet I'm giving it a 7 out of 10. I did. I don't know, I did sort of like it. I had written 7.5. It dropped point 5 on the second watch, I have to tell you, because I just noticed things like plot holes. But, yeah, it was. Despite our negativity, I think it's more frustration than anything, mate. It was another one where I felt like, good, Good premise. There could have been a really good episode. A lot of people thought it was, which is great, but for me, just. And you, by the sounds of it, just one too many niggles going on.

Garry: Yeah, I thought it was. I've got a lot of respect to. To Pete McTighe and his script for tackling a few things that are, you know, reasonably prevalent these days in terms of online fandom. And just online stuff in general, PTSD and some other things. And also I didn't really miss the Doctor too much in this one, so a lot of people complain about Doctor Light episodes, but I thought this one was good and I thought Millie Gibson's performance was really great. And the guy that played Conrad, Jonah Howaking, I thought those two were fantastic in it. So, yeah, it was a good watch. Although we sounded negative, I actually thought it was a good watch.

Adam: I think just one last thing as well, mate, with Pygmy Tai, I think a very similar thing has happened in this that happened with his, his episode Kablam. Whereas I think the central message he's wanting to put across is a really good one. Is it, you know, something that's. That's interesting to explore, but I think somehow it doesn't. It kind of gets lost. So with Kablam, you know, it almost felt like he was sticking up for the big corporation in terms of the way the episode ended. I think in this, the messages got a bit lost as well. That, you know, his unit is supposed to be the good guys and yet millions of people will have seen Conrad's video of them setting a creature on him to kill him. And yet we're supposed to believe that people supported that decision when he would have had millions of fans will it to believe. So it's kind of making you out to be the bad people. But that's not, I would assume, pmatized intention. So once again, I think we've got a really good concept from Pete that the message has got muddled somewhere in the mix. And I think that's sort of sums up my feelings towards this, this episode, is that my thoughts on it are muddled because of that.

Garry: Right? Yeah, that makes sense, dude.

Adam: Yeah.

Garry: Yeah, makes total sense. Alrighty, and on that note then, let's. Let's wrap it there for episode 4, 2, 3.

Adam: Alrighty.

Garry: Thank you very much, dear listener, for coming back, listening to another episode of the Big Blue box that was 423 in our review of Lucky Day. 7.5 for me, a 7 from him. Pretty reasonable scores in the end after all of that. We will be back next week, of course, to review the next episode in this season called the Story and the Engine, which sounds, I mean the title is great. And that's another one that is not written by Russell T. Davies. So this week, next week and the week after all guest writers. So we'll see if that throws some, some variety in before we get to the, to the finale and all that stuff. So yeah, once again, thank you very much for for listening. We'll be back this week. Make sure you're following or subscribing in your fave podcast app of choice. That way you won't miss notifications for all the future episodes when they drop and the roundtables each month. Also head over to the website bigblueboxpodcast.co.uk to listen there and check out all the reviews and articles from the writing team. You can hop off to the socials or just do a search on those at the blue box. Give us a like and a follow. We chat to who every week and also hop into the Discord server link on our website chatlocks of.com with other who fans in between all that. Obviously. Go and check out my co host channel on YouTube. It's called the Geeks Handbag.

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