Back in the TARDIS for the latest Doctor Who news

Garry: Hey hey, hey Who fans and welcome to the Big Blue Box Podcast. My name is Garry and This is episode 432. Welcome back who fans to another episode. It has been a minute. It's been a couple of months since we've done one of the quote unquote, normal episodes of the week, but there's been a few things kicking around in the world of Doctor Who. So I just wanted to say hello, make sure you're doing well and keep you up to speed with what's going on in the crazy world of Doctor Who. As always, nothing mental out there. No big day stopping news that's going to stop you in your tracks or anything. But there has been a few things sort of simmering under the surface I think is the best way to put it, and we're going to revisit those now. So as I mentioned, I hope you are doing well and keeping safe. It has been a little while since there has been a regular Big Blue Box podcast episode out, so it's great to be back talking Doctor Who, albeit by myself. A little bit of a solo episode. Won't be a long one today. Just going to keep you up to speed. But thank you so much to all of you that have checked out the ongoing roundtable episodes that we do once a month with the writing team. Maria, Harry, Matt, Jordan and those guys always bring a lot of fun and a lot of entertainment. Today's episode, which really cool. So the last one that went out last month, we had some really cool chat on that one, so go and check that out if you've not listened yet. And I also thank you very much for those of you that keep in contact over on the socials. We're still posting stuff now and then over over on Twitter or X and threads and Instagram and those sorts of things. And the Discord server is also ticking along very nicely. Lots of lovely conversations and everything going on in there. So if you've not checked out the Discord yet or any of the social stuff, then go and check the links in the show notes, the links, all those things. Come and get involved and chat with all the other Doctor Who fans, big blue box friends and all that stuff. Some really cool conversations going on over there. And lastly, another big thank you to you lot, you lovely lot, you're for sticking with us as we It's a bit of a quiet period at the moment for the podcast. There's literally just soddle been going on other than the last month. Ish. There's literally been not much going on at all for. For Doctor Who. So we're making the most of that and just having a bit of downtime. We've got some other. Some other podcasty bits in the works, as I told you. I think on the last episode a few months ago, we were working on some other podcast bits. I'm a little bit lazy with that at the moment. We've got one kind of in the can, at least the first season for it and stuff, so I just need to pull my finger out and get that sorted. Which is the. The podcast that our writers Jordan and Maria have been working on, which is the. A deep dive into the old sci fi, the British sci fi classic Sapphire and Steel. So that's coming up. I just need to get that sorted. Adam and I are gonna be back soon. We have our series C of Blake 7 to go through. So the Blu ray for that's gonna be landing at some point next month, I believe. So as soon as that lands, we'll be on that. And that will be our a few. Few months worth of podcasts over on the Federation Strike podcast, which is cool. Again, there will be links to show notes for those who want to go and check them out. And Adam and I are also working on another podcast, which we should have started by now, but we've just been a bit busy with that stuff, so that will be out probably early next year. And another podcast is in the works as well, which very early days at the moment, but suffice to say, it's not really kind of pure sci fi, but it does lean into those things. It's. I can't say too much right now, but that'll be a cool show that's going to drop for those of you that like sort of early Simon Pegg, Nick Frost type of. Type of stuff. Won't say any more on that, but that's coming down as well. I think that's gonna be good. So, yeah, some stuff happening, but for now just want to keep you in the loop on what's going on with the old Doctor Who. And lastly, very, very lastly, thank you to you guys for, yeah, for. For still keeping in touch even the newcomers to the show or the grizzled Ancients. Love you guys. So thank you very much. And as it has been a couple of months now, or a few months since the last proper episode or normal episode, whatever you want to call it, I hope you have kept yourselves well and safe. I hope you've had a cracking few months doing all the Doctor Who things. And yeah, just hope You've done all the Doctor Who related things, so let's crack on, shall we? First bit of news and it's been and gone, but I hope that you all manage to secure tickets to the upcoming cinema release of the Satan Pit. That was a bit of an out the blue thing that dropped, which was really nice. And it's for those of you not aware, it is a special release where they've put together like a one off version if you like a special edit which is going to be comprised of some deleted scenes that we've not seen before. And it should look really cool seeing that on the big screen. Watching Doctor Who is always amazing watching that stuff on the big screen. So that's coming soon, so I would love for you guys to get in contact after you've seen it to let me know what your thoughts are on the new edit for that. It's also going to be released as a Blu ray release as well, so obviously going to pick that up. Yeah, but it's going to be a cool time in the cinema to see that. So let me know what you thought of that afterwards. Because it's always interesting, these things where you go for so long re watching the same episode and enjoying that for what it is. And then we're so lucky as Doctor Who fans, we're very, very lucky to get such a great ongoing constant reinvention of these things which not many other franchises and TV shows get. So, yeah, we're very lucky for that stuff. So that's going to drop soon, I think. It's out in a couple of weeks. I can't remember what the. That's out in the cinema, but I'm sure it's out in a couple of weeks. So we're looking forward to chatting to the guys on that on the next roundtable, I'm sure. I think we've all got tickets to go and see that, which is good. So. Yeah, well, we'll give you our thoughts on it and stuff. But yeah, the Satan bit kind of dropped out of nowhere. Very cool. Great story that as well. Really cool story. And what did Adam and I rate that? What did we rate that story? Let me have a look. Where is it? So one actually something that you guys have been really nice on since we launched our new website a few months ago. Now, early on in the year, one of the pages that we added is called the Compendium and you can hop on there and see. You can see every single Doctor Who and spin off story and everything. The corresponding episode on the podcast that we spoke about that story and also our scores that we gave them at the time. So I'm going to hop on there. Let's go to Mr. Tenant on the 10th Dr. Stuff. Where are we? The Satan fit. Yeah, we rated that pretty well actually, so I gave it an 8 out of 10. Adam gave it a 7.5. And that was back on our episode 195, which was back in July 2018. We reviewed that one back when we did a Merch Corner as well. It's a bit of a time capsule. So back on the Merch Corner for that episode, we spoke about the 50th anniversary book for Lethbridge Stewart, which I'm assuming was from Andy. What was the author's name back. I can't remember. We used to call him Mr. Andy. We had him on the show, wants to interview him. But. So that book was landing and then there was loads of 13th Doctor figures that had just been released from San Diego Comic Con at the time. And there was also a re release of all of the DVD box sets in the US as well. So there was plenty going on back in the day when there was like Doctor Who, Doctor Who merchandise every single week that we could talk about. It was such a, such a great time back then. But anyway, yeah, we rated that story reasonably highly and looking forward to seeing that in the old cinema. And probably the biggest bit of news, well, the two biggest bits of news that have been kicking around the last couple of weeks is all to do with the Doctor Who tender process. And you would have seen probably on the socials or on Reddit and that sort of thing that the, the BBC have, have of course put the show out for competitive tender basically means that any production studio, anybody can pitch their ideas for what they think would be a good, a good future Doctor Who. Their vision of Doctor Who and what, what comes with all that stuff. We spoke about it on the last roundtable and we also spoke about what a potential sort of future streaming partner would, would look like and so on. Got some more details about that coming up in a minute, by the way. But for the time being, the. I'm getting this from deadline.com their article about it could be just. It's a really nice succinct article. It goes through all the deets. But without going on about it too much, the. The two big things that have come out of that story about the competitive tender was the production studio, Hatrick Mercurio and the executive producer there, Jed. Jed Mercurio, who we founded with Jimmy Mulville though they've put their proposal through to the BBC with Mercurio attached as executive producer. Now he's a big sci fi fan, created the BBC series Invasion Earth back in the 90s and has also worked on the Bodyguard TV show Cardiac Arrest, some other bits and pieces. They've not commented directly to the press about their proposal or anything like that. But yeah, I think Jed would be just because he's got quite a good foundation and a good long standing love of science fiction and that stuff. I think it'd be a really good fit for it. As well as Hat Trick, there's also been World Productions. They're the guys that make things like Line of Duty, that sort of thing. They have put an offer through and so the CEO of World Production, Simon Heath, he recently, yeah, said he's got interest in that. So that's also going ahead as well. And they're from. I think they do more work with ITV Studios but they're not sort of exclusive to those guys. But yeah, that would also be an interesting one. The most interesting one though is STV Studios, which is Scotland Television and they're the group behind the. The police drama set in Ireland. Blue Lights and also Criminal Record. Really, really good history with making solid dramas. Blue Lights is actually really good. I started watching that this week actually. I've watched the first two episodes, it's on iplayer. Very, very good series and you can tell that they make really good quality television. Now the most sort of the biggest thing that would come from that if they were successful and managed to. To nail the contract with the BBC is that they would probably move production up to Scotland, which would be a first for the show. We were talking about this on the Discord the other day. Somebody asked, has Dr. Who ever been filmed up in Scotland? Are there any locations that we can go and visit and so on. And I asked, I said that I don't think so. I said even the, even when the storyline within the show has been set in Scotland, I'm pretty sure they filmed it just either somewhere in Wales or I think there was an episode where it was filmed in West Sussex or somewhere or something like that, which was meant to be Scotland, but maybe the Highlanders, I'm not sure. So if anybody is. Has got some information on that, if I'm incorrect then please getting, you know, hit me up on the socials or whatever. I'd love to, to dive into that a bit more. But yeah, it's stv if they do land this then. And again these guys haven't commented. I think that's just a thing with. With Tender. I don't think studios are either allowed to comment because they've entered into that process or they. It's just, you know, unwritten rule that they don't do that while that's going on. But they haven't, they haven't said anything. But that would probably mean, I don't know this 100%, but that would probably mean that production would move to Scotland for the first time in the show's history. So that would be interesting in itself. And yeah, I absolutely love Scotland for a few reasons. I absolutely love Scotland. So, yeah, that'd be really interesting to see what happens with that. And then lastly with the Tender stuff, there's also been some internal BBC studios, studios that have also thrown their bids into the hat as well to make Doctor Who he. The script boss, Jamie hall saying very animatedly that the entire BBC group should reap the rewards of the iconic sci fi series. He was saying selling Deadline in a previous interview that last week there is an opportunity to get back what the core offering was. During the Matt Smith and David Tennant eras of the show, BBC studios run in house drama teams along with the majority owning bids. Big beasts of the UK production world, like Baby Reindeer from Clerkenwell Films, Sherwood Producer House Productions and Lookout Point. So these are all sort of internal studios that are managed or under the umbrella of BBC Studios. And that would also be an interesting thing as well because, yeah, back when the show came, when it came back in 2005, that was obviously all in house, I believe. I think it was in partnership with Canadian tv. I think they had a partnership going on and there were some other people who were involved, but predominantly it was all sort of produced and done in house before RTD came back and it moved externally with Bad Wolf and all that stuff. So, yeah, that would be an also very interesting thing because I think that would be very. All of this is quite divisive, potentially, right? I think that would be a very divisive move because you have a bunch of fans and people who want to see the show succeed and they're like, no, it needs to be. It needs to be, you know, a brand new person, a brand new team, clean house. Let's just give the show the freshest possible start that we can. And you've also got other fans who are like, yeah, but you know, these guys at the BBC, they've worked with it for decades. They know the show inside out, you know, they know how it works. So you've got that side of it as well. So, yeah, it's an exciting time for the show. I think the, the tender process for submissions and the deadline and everything is officially done and that's that. So I'm probably, I'm going to take an educated guess that we would not hear anything about this now, I mean, officially from the BBC probably until sort of the first part of next year, Q1, I guess you'd call it, of. Of next year. They probably give some details out and so on. But yeah, lots going on behind the scenes, I think, is the best takeaway from this stuff. It's. It's a lot going on. So leading on to that story and looking back on what's happened with Doctor Who, you've probably seen that Russell T. Davis has had a new book out called the Queerest of Folk. It's his memoir. It goes through a load of stuff, basically his life in television from his early days doing things like Chucklevision and some other bits and bobs around his early days right up until now to closing out Doctor Who and working on some newer stuff. And of course the, there's some tidbits about Doctor Who in there and there's been a few things. But two things I want to pick up on which are really interesting is how he thinks the, the Disney stuff went down and some things that, yeah, he feels like he didn't really get off to the best start and how Disney treated the show and so on and, and his thoughts on if he was to stay, so if the Disney deal had have worked out and been renewed for another series and he stayed on and stuff. He's got some, some stuff that he would have liked to have done. So the first thing is. Yeah, let's talk about that actually. So he thought that he kind of knew in the back of his mind that the Disney stuff was not going to work out after two series and all that stuff. He was saying that as we got, as he got to the Twilight end of that era, I guess we'll call it the Disney era for now, he kind of knew that things were not going to pan out because he knew that, shoot, he was leaving the show. That was his decision had been made to those guys internally for a while. That was all going through. And so he'd written the climax of the show having the Doctor save sort of coming full circle really. So having to save the life of a baby in the church on Ruby Road, you know, that first episode and then when he departs, saving the life of a baby because the universe is at stake, he said. But we had to make final episodes not really knowing whether the, the Disney deal would be renewed properly. So it was kind of, I think he knew in the back of his mind that he was, that this was not going to go through because further on in his book he goes on to say that he was starting to line work up in, you know, with the view that the Disney stuff and the Doctor Who stuff was not going to work out. So he started creating stuff while still being under contract with that kind of potential. Yeah, maybe there'll be a third series with Disney. Maybe not, who knows? But started working on a show called tiptoe for Channel 4 and then working on the, the dance version of It's A Sin with Rambert. And so he said that in actual, in, in reality, if there was a, a third series that had come along from Disney, he said it would have been an absolute nightmare for him. He said he would have managed it because he started, you know, pushing forward of all this other work. So it would have been a real, a real nightmare for him. But so I think he sort of had, you know, his, his foresight was pretty good with that by look of it and. But it does sort of highlight what we were all saying really was that, that the conversations between Disney and the BBC were going on and no one else knew what was going on with that stuff. Bad Wolf didn't know, he didn't know, nobody else knew. And yeah, so he was saying that the plan was to end shoot his run with an open ended regeneration, but as that stuff went on and there was still no confirmation about what was going on and as that date neared further and further, he was like, look, it's pretty much confirmed that Disney are going to say no. So they had to sort of cut to credits with no revealing actor taking over from shooty. It was like, you know, that was going to be. He didn't really want to do that because if there was, because at the end of every episode, as you guys know, when he gets to the end of a Doctor's run and their era comes to a close, the regeneration happens at the last minute. And then in the credits you normally get and introducing so and so as the Doctor and that then gives fandom and everybody a bit of a safety net because it's like, although nothing is a guarantee in life that no TV show would ever is never guaranteed to come back, at least it gives you that sort of mental safety note that yes, the show is going to continue. We have a new actor playing The Doctor onwards. Whereas in this instance, with no deal on the table from Disney and nothing else going on, Russell was like, well, we can't really end with nothing. We have to put something in the credits, so step in. Billy Piper decision was made for her regeneration scene and Russell Davis was t. Davis was like, well, it got people talking about the show again. They got people thinking, you know, what's, what's in stake, what's at stake for the future of the show and everything like that. So that was kind of self explanatory. We knew that that was going on, but it's all, it's all, you know, it makes sense when you hear it straight from the horse's mouth at least. So, yeah, yeah, if you've not checked out Russell's book, by all accounts, I've not read it yet. I will read it at some point. By all accounts, it's a very interesting read. Loads of cool stuff about his life in television and all that stuff and some real cool little nuggets from Doctor Who. And the last thing I want to talk about is his feelings on how Disney handled Doctor Who in the first place. So he was saying that right from the get go. He believes that the decision to. Kick off this new ERA with the 60th anniversary, you know, and also trying to pitch it as a potentially newish kind of show to the US audience, to quote. He says that that decision, he believes, ultimately beeped it from the start, effed it up from the start. So he was saying that, you know, they had to ultimately pitch a brand new show while also celebrating 60 years worth of history. And he said it was a really big stumbling block for the new era because, you know, it was a launch show for new audiences on Disney plus, but it was also a regeneration of the show at the same time. He goes on to say it was a confused launch, we knew it would be, but there was no way around it. It was the 60th anniversary, which meant going to a streamer to say, this is a brand new show, but it's also celebrating 60 years. It's launching and regenerating at the same time. Quite a difficult concept and I think that beep it from the start. He goes on to say that Disney's solution was to throw. Was to throw away the three anniversary specials, more or less. They dropped them on the platform, but they didn't advertise them at all. David Tennant didn't do a single interview with the American press. And then he goes on to say that he accepts that because they created that oddness. But it was a big stumbling block from the start in America, which I think we never quite recovered from. So. Yeah, and there was also some other bits and pieces that we've seen over the last year, I think from Russell as well. There was an interview that he did with somebody. I can't remember what outlet that was, who that was with, but he did go on to say that a large chunk of the. The funding that they got from Disney, their stipulation on a lot of it, was that the show had to be filmed in 4K, it had to be mastered and everything and released on the platform in 4K. And he was like, this is eating up, like, a massive chunk of the budget. Surely we should be concentrating more on storylines and character progression and just making great television. And they were like, no, no. You know, we were. Because in his book, he did say from another segment in the book that he was really, really surprised that the Disney deal even landed at all. He said he had. He had chats with Netflix, Amazon, Disney, or when they were pitching a new streaming partner and that sort of thing. And he was basically saying, look, we honestly thought that Netflix was going to be the play we had. We. Disney was, like, way down on the list. So they were really shocked. And the reason why we're shocked is because those guys make the really huge, big budget. You know, these guys make Star wars and they make Stranger Things and. And all the rest of it. So he was really surprised. He said, that the chat that they had in person with Netflix, and he wrote a really cool little pitch book. He wrote a pitch for the new era of Doctor Who with, like, little diagrams and sketches and episode titles and stuff. And he thought it went really well. He just. I think there was this assumption that Netflix was going to just be a natural fit from their point of view. From Bad Wolf and his point of view, the Netflix was going to be a natural home for Doctor Who, but turns out that, you know, wasn't the case. So he was really shocked at Disney. And when you put all of this together in one sort of bag of stuff, it's evident that Disney was just not the right fit for Doctor Who. It's. That's kind of the takeaway, I think, from all of this. So lesson learned chapter. Read all that stuff. We'll see what happens moving forward. But, yeah, they're the two big news stories that's been kicking around. We'll obviously keep you up to date either on the regular episodes like these or the roundtables or the socials or the Discord, all that stuff. So, yeah, just stick with us as we, we get through this stuff. But as I said, I don't think there's going to be any big info drops on this for a little while now as the BBC go through that process and all the rest of it. So to finish up on a couple of wee little, wee little bits, the first one is, and this is a segment that's also in the upcoming or latest episode, Doctor Who magazine. Sorry, episode. The latest issue of Doctor Who magazine is that we're celebrating 20 years of Torchwood. That's crazy. 20 years. I know it pales in comparison to the history of. Of the main Doctor Who show, but, yeah, that's absolute madness to me. I was a bit of a late comer to Torchwood, obviously. It took me a little while to start watching that after I'd got into Doctor Who and then ultimately Adam and I decided to. We decided to just review everything basically to do with Doctor Who, all the spin offs and all that stuff. And yeah, actually let me just dive back onto the compendium on the website just to see when we first started reviewing Torchwood. Let's go to Torchwood. Head down there. So episode one of season one, everything changes. That was episode 184 and we did that in April of 2018. So what's that? Eight years ago? So I must have started watching it nine years ago, something like that. So, yeah, but crikey, what did we. What did we give that as well? We gave that. I'll look. I think we gave it an eight each. I'll confirm that in a second. But just to give you the time capsule thing again on the merch, Titan Comics announced a three part series landing that July called the roads to the 13th Doctor and Forbidden Planet here in the UK, we're doing a massive sale on a bunch of Doctor Who T shirts and stuff. So that was kind of cool. But we gave it. Yeah, we gave it an eight each for that first episode. Everything changes. But, yeah, 20 years. It first launched here in the UK back on the 22nd of October, which would have been next week, next Thursday, the 22nd. It would have landed then on BBC3 at the time. So BBC3 was this network channel here in the UK and it would have gone out first. It then moved over to BBC2 in the January of 2008. So two years later shifted over to BBC2 and then a year after that it shifted over to BBC one when we got the third series, Children of Earth and then Miracle Day. Kept that, that up with BBC1, so started on BBC3, then transitioned to BBC2 and then landed on the big one on BBC1. But yeah, that's crazy. 20 years since Torchwood. And to be honest with you, I really, really enjoyed going through with Adam and reviewing all of the Torchwood stuff. It was a really good up and down kind of show for us. It started really strong. Quite enjoyed that, that first episode, that first season. Sorry, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. It was about 18 episodes, 16, something like that. It's really good. So those first two series of Torchwood, some really. A really good arc of stories and some Creature of the Week sorts of things going on and some good stuff. And ultimately we reviewed it reasonably well. I think the average score for that first series was probably an 8, a 7 or an 8. I think there was a couple of clangers in there, like Cyberwoman. I gave that a 3.5, Adam gave it a 4.5. And then a story called Combat, which is terrible in my opinion. I gave that a three, Adam gave it a 5.5. But mainly it was like sevens from us, 7.5. There was an. The episode out of time in series one was really good. I gave that an 8.5, Adam gave it an 8. And then we finished on End of Days, the finale, on a seven and an eight. And then series two, much of the same really. There was again, a few clangers in there. Terrible story, in my opinion, from out of the Rain. I gave that a 2.5, but Adam really liked that. He gave it a 7.5. We were. We weren't on the same page on that one, but for the rest of it, yeah, it was sevens and eights, 7.5. It's really good. And then Children of Earth dropped and we really liked that. Really did enjoy that one. The average score for that was an 8.5. Really? That was a really cool. Really enjoyed. Children of Earth went back to sort of really creepy television. Really good suspense, the mystery, the creepiness of it, and, you know, borderline horror aspects. Really cool. And then series four, Miracle Day. That for us was when it started to just. You could tell that the wheels were falling off just a little bit for that one. It picked up a little bit in the middle. It started strong, we gave it 6 and sevens, but then we dipped down to like 5.5s and 6s. And that's where it sort of stayed really. It didn't really recover that well. So it didn't end on its strongest, didn't put its strongest foot forward or its best foot forward, shall I say, in its closing, closing days. But still, you know, overall, Torchwood was a very enjoyable spin off for Doctor Who, really some really cool stuff in there, some great performances and yeah, I loved going through and watching all those episodes and reviewing them. Stuff that was back in the day when on the podcast we did this alternating thing where one week it was a classic Doctor Who story that we reviewed. I think the following week it was Torchwood, the following week it was a modern Doctor Who story and then the following week it was a Sarah Jane Adventures story. So that was when it was like peak big blue box when we were reviewing everything and we were getting through all the stuff. And so yeah, listener, if you've, if you've landed on the big blue box fairly recently, we have a huge back catalog. I mean we've pretty much reviewed nearly, nearly everything to do with Doctor Who and all the spin offs and stuff. But yeah, there's a massive back catalog to go through. We do have quite a few people get in contact and say, so lads, I assume you're going to be kicking off doing everything again. You're going to go through and re watch and re review all of Doctor Who from Hartnell onwards and all that stuff and that would be. Christ, that would be a bit of an undertaking, that one. Not to say that I wouldn't be up for it, but yeah, I'd have to mentally prepare for that one. But anyway, we're celebrating nearly 20 years of Torchwood. Next Thursday will be the anniversary of when the anniversary of when the episode Everything Changes went out. And yeah, loved reviewing all that. Very, very cool. And then last thing I want to just finish on for this episode is we got our first look at the upcoming CBeebies Doctor Who show from the Blue Zoo animation studio. Now there's not really much to go on with this one and it's kind of weird. I've seen, I've seen fandom be mostly positive about this and I've also seen for the first time, not really the first time, but in a rare, in a rare case of, of what you, you don't really see that often in Doctor Who fandom is a lot of people being indifferent about it normally who fans, for better or worse, will have an opinion on absolutely anything and everything to do with Doctor Who, as you will know. All you have to do is sit on Twitter or, or Reddit or Blue sky threads, whatever it is. All you have to do is sit on there for a few weeks and you will see Doctor Who fandom literally tearing everything and anything to shreds in a good way or a bad way, whatever. But what I've seen from fandom is a lot of posts saying, nah, I don't really care. This is not for me, not, this is not aimed at me. So I have no opinion on this. And that is very rare for the Doctor Who fandom. So that's been kind of weird. I think probably about 80%, 85% of what I've seen. And I did put a post out about this, I think it was middle of last week, saying I wanted to let the dust settle on this. But what are your thoughts? Tell me what you think. And that got a good response of quite a lot of people had said, yeah, I think this looks great. I can't wait for the younger generation to be sort of their entry point into Doctor Who. Hope it lands with them, because this could be a great stepping stone into them getting into the rest of Doctor Who and all that, you know, and all that, which I completely agree with. There have been a few people have said, oh, it looks absolutely terrible. What are they thinking? You know, there's a talking walking toaster character, what's all that about? And you know, that's a ripoff of Red Dwarf. They know the talkie toaster and all that stuff. And the Daleks look ridiculous because they've got an actual cartoon character eyeballing the eyestalk and their mouth and all this stuff. And I completely see that, I completely see that point of view. But I think one thing we have to just keep in mind and bear in mind with this stuff, is that this is aimed at small, small children, young kids, right? So this has to be. You can't just make a one to one transfer of like, you know, I don't know, the Matt Smith era or anything like that, and translate that into a show and hope that it works. That's never going to work. So you have to, you know, you have to adapt this IP into what's going to land for young kids, for children. That's the aim of the game, right? So you have to give this a fun, fluffy, cartoony style. You have to make the Daleks look threatening, but at the same time not too scary. And you have to make the main protagonists look, you know, like adventurers and they're off an adventure and all that stuff. So I completely get it. I know this is not going to land with everybody. And what some people are saying that those fans that are indifferent, where they're like, you know, this is not for me because it's not aimed at me, I don't really care and blah, blah, blah. That's completely fair. Absolutely fair. Because what's the point in wading in and being unnecessarily negative or positive just for the sake of it, you know, if you don't have an opinion, then that's fine. It's all good. But even adults, I mean, I am, I am personally really looking forward to this. I'm a huge fan of anything animated. I still watch cartoons to this day. I still love animated stuff. So I'm personally really up for this. And I think it looks great. I think it's got a real lovely, colorful, playful nature to it. I think it's, you know, and if it serves its purpose for two main reasons, then we're on to a win, right? So if it serves the purpose of it's just a fun, enjoyable kids show about Doctor Who, then check, that's a win. But also if it does provide a stepping stone for kids to be like, okay, you know, even if it doesn't have to land immediately, they don't have to watch this program and then immediately fire up iplayer and start watching Chris Eccleston's series of Doctor Who. I'm not saying that, but if in say, five, six, seven years time, when you're a little bit older and they start watching more television and more live action stuff and they happen to come across Doctor Who, they're like, oh, that's that, that show about the thing that I watched and they start watching it, then that's a great thing. So second thing, check. That's also a win. So I wish this every, every success. I hope it does well. And who knows, it might be a sleeper hit for adults as well. You do find that with, with stuff. And when you're a parent and you're watching these crazy modern cartoons and animated stuff with your kids, sometimes the parents love it. So I had two experiences of that when my son was watching cartoons, I don't know, 10 years ago. Ish. There were two really funny cartoons that I actually really enjoyed. One was called Adventure Time with Finn and Jake, and then the other one was called Regular show with Mordecai and Rigby. And those other, those cartoons were hilarious and like, it was that thing where you could tell that the creators of the show, while making a show for children and teenagers, there was a kind of a very subtle little nods at jokes for the adults as well. So yeah, so I think adults might actually enjoy this as well when Their kids are sitting down to watch it and stuff, who knows? But, yeah, we don't know anything about this, by the way. All we've got is a couple of very, very rough sort of things. So it follows the Doctor, a young Time Lord and his friends Hannah, Hannah, Beastie and Toast E. So Toast Hyphen. Ie. As they embark on all these adventures through time and space, they're going to come across. They're going to come across legendary Doctor Who foes, including the Daleks. So not limited to the Daleks, we're going to have other things as well. And it's going to be preschool friendly and it's going to celebrate curiosity, courage and kindness and encourage young viewers to explore new ideas, solve problems and embrace the unexpected. So it's going to be short form as well. So they're going to be 50 to 11 minute episodes. And so that sounds quite interesting. It's not going to be your standard 20, 20 odd minute stuff. Kate Morton, who's the senior head of commissioning for CBeebies, says the Tardis is ready for its youngest crew yet. Packed with imagination, humor and adventure, Doctor Who TARDIS crew will inspire children to be curious, courageous and kind as they explore the world across time and space. It's everything families love about Doctor Who wonder, excitement and endless possibility. Reimagined for CBeebies, youngest explorers. And it's being produced by Blue Zoo Animation Studio. So, yeah, only a few little, very basic details about it. Nothing, nothing crazy, but I personally think this could be very cool. We'll wait and see. I think it's going to land. They did say this somewhere. Yeah. So late 2027, early 2028, a little while, while they figure all the stuff out and get it rocking. So that should be very cool. And that who fans is going to wrap up what's been kicking around in the world of Doctor Who, and let's put a pin in it there for episode 432. Thank you, thank you, thank you very much for listening to another episode of the Big Blue Box. That was episode 432. And thank you for sticking with me as we kick around all the Doctor Who news that's been going on for the last few weeks slash month. 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