What’s Next for Doctor Who After Christmas 2026 Plus an Update on TWBTLATS

Garry: Hey, hey, hey, who fans and welcome to The Big Blue Box Podcast. My name's Garry.

Adam: My name's Adam.

Garry: And welcome to episode 430.

Adam: Yeah.

Garry: Welcome back, everybody, to another episode. It's been a little while since myself and Adam have recorded. We've been busy with stuff. Travel, work, life stuff. It's all been going on this year. Bit of a crazy one, but we are back behind the mic for more Doctor Who. We both hope you have had a wonderful couple of months since we last recorded. We hope you've managed to do something Doctor Who.

Adam: Related.

Garry: Related. I held back there.

Adam: Yeah, you let me have that one for all time's sake.

Garry: Oh, when did we last record? I can't even remember.

Adam: It's been a while, isn't it, mate? I mean, we get. We do keep in touch listener. It's. We do chat via the WhatsApp group. And we kept saying, yeah, if any big news drops, you know, we'll jump on. And nothing's. It's been a bit tumbleweed, isn't it? And then we had the old missing episodes thing and we were like, oh, should we talk about that? But it kind of fizzled out. And then, yeah, just when we thought everything had gone dead, we get some big news dropping. So we're both like, right, let's do it. Let's take this opportunity to. To get back behind the mics. Although you still do the Round Table. I was listening to that this morning, the latest roundtable with Maria and that. That was a good listen.

Garry: Oh, yeah, that went out yesterday. Yeah, yeah, we spoke about. We spoke about some news that we're going to talk about, just albeit a bit more briefly. And then we dived into those guys wanting to look at the Aztecs, which is a great story. Story that you and I rated very highly back in the day. Yeah, yeah, the good one.

Adam: That is good.

Garry: Yeah. So were you and I last recorded episode 427 in June.

Adam: Wow.

Garry: That was the finale of season two Ncuti's his last. Last episode. The Reality War. Yeah. Bless him.

Adam: I have to say, mate, it's. That did. I did need a break from Doctor Who after that final. Not gonna lie. I think I actually said as much to you. It's not just been that. There's been nothing really to talk about, but that finale kind of finished me off. It left a bad taste, I'm not gonna lie. And did have to take a bit of a break from Doctor Who. It's like an old friend that I just needed to keep at arm's length for A little while before I remembered how much I love them. I'm ready to embrace it again now. But I did. I had to step away after that, that last season for a little bit, I think. And plus I ended, you know, I'm back in the US now as well, which has obviously made recording a bit more difficult because of the time zones and stuff. But yeah, it is good to be back, though, I gotta say. It's good to be back behind the mic and hopefully we've got some good stuff coming up with this spin off and stuff and whatever else is happening next year.

Garry: Dd yes. Yeah, so Adam and I thought we'd hop on and talk about some of the big new stuff that's. That's landed in the last 48 hours. I think it's one of those times where I said this on the, on the roundtable episode that we did last night, that when you and I were recording years ago, we would have news to talk about pretty much every week. It was nuts. We used to have a. A proper news segment and then we had to do a dedicated merch segment. And yeah, there was always stuff going on and then these days it just goes on for. Even when there's new Doctor Who on, it feels like there's just weeks and months of tumbleweed and nothing. And then all of a sudden it's just all hands on deck because, you know, the big news has dropped and all that stuff. So the. The good old days, mate, of having loads to talk about all the time with Doctor Who, It's crazy.

Adam: Well, I hope so, mate. I mean, I nearly scrolled past the news, I'll be honest with you, because it. So they sort of. The BBC put out this picture, like this TARDIS in a vortex, a sort of very generic picture. And I was just sort of, you know, scrolling my screen and I saw the picture sort of go past a couple of times. I thought nothing of it. And then, I don't know, I must have just stopped on a certain tweet and realized it was actually an announcement, which obviously we're going to come to. I don't want to jump ahead, so I kind of nearly missed it, mate. And the reason for that is I wasn't really expecting this to drop, if you know what I mean. It's because of everything surround the show at the minute. I think I felt like this was not a bit of a bolt out the blue, but, yeah, I just wasn't really expecting this to pop up on my feed this soon, if you like. So I nearly missed it. Because of that, I was just like, oh, whatever, what's this now? TARDIS picture. I was just like, what's that?

Garry: Indeed. Same. Yeah. I think we're all a bit. What's the word?

Adam: Taken aback.

Garry: Taken aback a little bit, yeah. Because we'll get onto it. It's a bit more in depth in a minute anyway. But, yeah, so that. That story broke and we. We were chatting in the. In our group chat with the guys, with the writers anyway, about that news and I thought, right, let's. Let's get. Let's get myself and Adam back on to. To talk about this, because it's kind of. It's one of those stories where we'll. We'll definitely refer back to this moment in years to come, where it's a bit like people refer back to the moment when McCoy's era came to an end and all that ended and then things started back up in 2005. Everybody remembers that moment and then those big moments where Doctor Who seemingly ending, but it's not the. There's just a new show run, a new actor. So I feel like it's going to be one of those moments where in years to come, where we're talking about whatever's happening at that time, we'll refer back and be like, oh, do you remember the. When we thought Dr. Who was going to get Kai Boshed again, but they didn't. They had. They announced it was coming back and we had the crimo. So, you know, so it's one of those stories that warrants a bit of chat, we thought.

Adam: Definitely, yeah, yeah.

Garry: And. And then we also got the War between the Land and the Sea update as well, which is just dropped.

Adam: We've had some good, exciting updates on that today, literally just before we record, so that's nice timing. Normally it's just after we record, isn't it? Normally we stop and put it in the can and then we open our phones. It's like, ah, some other big news has dropped. So it's like, oh, but it's actually good timing for once.

Garry: For once, yeah. Because that happened all the time. Yeah, all the time, yeah. I think there was actually a couple of episodes going back over the years, just a couple where we were doing news and I would message you while we're recording and say, this has just landed. Do we want to talk about it now or next week? So, yeah, but we were. The stars have aligned on this one, which is cool.

Adam: You. You wait, we'll finish recording and. And shut the laptop and open our phones and they'll say, oh, Marco Polo's been recovered. It's coming out for Christmas or something.

Garry: Yeah, yeah, that will happen. Yep. So before we crack on with all of the news, dear listener, thank you very much for coming back. If you're a new listener, if you've just found the big blue box in your podcast app of choice or on the website, then welcome very much. And also the grizzled ancients, the longtime listeners, welcome back as well. Make sure that you're following or subscribing to the podcast in your preferred podcast app of choice. That way you won't miss new episodes when they drop. Whether it's myself and Adam doing these ones where we do reviews or just news or the monthly roundtables with the writing team, they're always a bunch of fun to listen to. So make sure you're doing that on the website. You can also listen for free, but you can also check out all of the articles and reviews and the event rundowns and editorials from the writing team. Loads going on on the website. And there's also links there to go off to all the different social channels that we're on. So give us a like and a follow on those. Because we chat lots of Doctor Who in between these episodes and everything. And we also have a link to our Discord server, which is a really cool place to come and hang out and chat all things Doctor Who. There's always lots of chat there from guys doing just general thoughts on what's happening in the world of Doctor Who, but also things like collections and events and Comic Con chat and lots of stuff going on. It's a very safe, chill, nice place to come and talk Doctor Who. So hop in there. The links on the website come and chat lots of Doctor Who with other people. And also I mustn't forget to remember. But you don't forget to remember to go and check out Adam's channel on YouTube. It is, of course, the Geeks Handbag.

Adam: Geeks Handbag, yeah, go check out my YouTube channel. I've got some. I'm not not to blow my own trumpet here, I've got some really cool videos coming out. I've been a bit quiet on, on the old YouTube of late, but I've been working hard on a couple of videos that I'm really looking forward to putting out there. One of them where I find three shelves worth of Target books over here in the US And I spent about six hours in the shop just going through. So there's some cool videos on the Way. Yeah. So check out the geeks handbag on YouTube. X whatever it's called. All of those things.

Garry: Yeah, all the things just go and go and do that.

Adam: Go and do it.

Garry: Is the. The moral of the story. I think the last one you put out was the vinyl. Was it the vinyl set?

Adam: Yeah, the moon base vinyl, yeah.

Garry: Yeah.

Adam: Which was really cool. But yeah, I found some. Because over here in the US Quite often I don't find a lot of merch. Doctor Who merch, you know, But I don't know, I've just had a good run recently. I found a really cool comic, the first appearance of the Doctor in this Marvel comic. I'm gonna do a little video on that and just. Yeah, some good. Some good finds that I found. I thought, right, I need to start making some videos again. So that's why I'm kind of excited. They're kind of fired up. I feel like this little breakers, you know, got me fired up to get back into the pod and do some videos and stuff. So, yeah, they'll all be out. I don't know how long they'll take to edit. It'll probably be next year now, but. No, they will be. They'll be coming out soon, hopefully.

Garry: Yeah, good stuff, dude. So, yeah, go and check out Adam's content. He's on the socials as well. Same name, the geek's handbag. Go and chat all. All geekery stuff with him.

Adam: Indeed.

Garry: Before he. Before he blocks you. Insubordination or gets bored again.

Adam: And so I've got some. I've got what, some great videos that are just half edited that are now years old. Like, I think I've got a Stones of Blood location video that I've been working on for about 10 years and it'll probably never come out. And I'm gonna do like a series called from. From the Geeks Vault, you know, because you'll be able to tell because I look probably 10 years younger in them, but I have got some great stuff in there. Just. Just very lazy when it comes to editing. I hate editing.

Garry: But yeah, it's one of life's necessary evils. Yeah, it's the word.

Adam: It's got to be done.

Garry: Yeah, yeah. Before we kick off with news dude, just want to say I'm very excited. I've got a new book delivered today. It's. Yeah, the Chimes of Midnight, the big finish story is now in novel format and it's written by Robert, you know, Rob Sherman. We've chatted to Rob a few times at the Old the BFI events is a lovely chap.

Adam: Nice guy.

Garry: Yeah. So I'm looking forward to this one, mate. It's one of those hardbacks that. Because I typically go for paperbacks in books generally, but it's one of those hardbacks where it's not too thick and chunky like you feel like you have to invest the next couple of years to get through it. It's a reasonably sort of mid sized book so not too intimidating.

Adam: Yeah, I saw the picture on your, on your socials. It looks really nice actually. It's a great story. I really like Times at Midnight. It's one of my favorite big finishes actually. It's a good one. So interesting. Actually man, I've got to ask you, have you cracked Open your Season 13 Blu Ray yet?

Garry: Of course.

Adam: Ah, cool. So what? Yeah, well obviously I don't want to go down a rabbit hole here but I have been seeing because obviously I'm in the us I haven't got to. I'll be back in the UK in December. So I haven't got to mine yet or open it or have a look at it or do anything but I've been seeing a lot of chatter about this AI upscaling and as I said without going down a rabbit hole. Have you got to check any of that out yet? Have you got any thoughts on it? You watched any of the special features? Give, give me a little rundown on it.

Garry: A little rundown. So yeah, so I've watched two of the stories from it because we already watched Terror the Zygons at the BFI so I wasn't in a huge rush to re watch that again. I will watch it again, but not immediately. So I've watched the. The Brain of Morbius.

Adam: Oh brilliant.

Garry: Which is one of our. Our faves. And the Seeds of Doom.

Adam: Great story.

Garry: Yes, those are the two that I've watched of it so far. The next two I'm gonna watch is the Pyramids of Mars and the the Android Invasion. They're the next two for me. And then I'll watch Terror the Zygons of Planet of Evil another time. But of the two episodes that I have watched and also. Sorry, I've also watched this, there was a trailer for it that we saw at the BFI which is called Worlds within and it's a profile of Ian Martyr.

Adam: Oh great.

Garry: That was a really cool sort of mini documentary and that was quite emotional that one. That was pretty cool. And then I also watched this thing called return to 13 with Philip Hinchcliffe. Goes back to all the locations throughout season 13 and a few, I won't spoil it, but a few people turn up and there's a few conversations and stuff like that, so. And I've also watched Tom Talks, which is a brand new interview with Tom Baker where he talks about his memories of season 13 and some other bits and bobs. He's really funny in it. He's so funny in that one. So that was good. But going back to the episodes themselves with this AI thing there, there are a couple that. There's a couple of scenes and it's really weird because it's not a consistent thing.

Adam: You.

Garry: You don't watch an episode from start to finish and everything looks like it's upscaled. It's weird. There's just a few scenes here and there where you look at it and you think, yeah, could anyone that's seen that before in any previous release that it used to happen a lot back in the day when they did like a brand new release of a film for Blu ray or for 4K. Blu ray. And you'd see loads of complaints online for people saying the image is too clean or like the skin tones look really waxy and they look false and, and all that stuff. It's got that kind of feel to it, but it's not, it's not like retina burning, like, oh my God, like the AI has gone absolutely berserk. It's not that bad. But there are a few scenes here and there that I've noticed in each of the, each of the episodes where I think, right, okay, that's obviously been upscaled with AI and then there's some other scenes where it's like that obviously hasn't been. So it still looks reasonably clean and you can tell they've done a little bit of work to it, but it looks a bit more natural. But. So I think it's kind of plagued with these odd little bits and pieces where it's very difficult to, to say why that's happened though, because in general, as you know, mate, all the previous box sets that we've watched and, and you've. I think you've watched pretty much everything on all of these box sets. Yeah. So not once have you ever said to me, mate, this looks pretty ropey with some of this upscale and whatever. So I think it's the first time that they've either experimented with this with some kind of AI upscaling or the other possibility is that it's not AI at all. Somebody has used some, some image sort of cleanup technology, but they've just gone a bit hard with it. Yeah, you know, they've just gone a bit OTT that kind of thing. So. It's a great set, mate. Don't. You know, it's not. It hasn't hampered my enjoyment of. Of anything. It's still, you know, it's great, it's fantastic. But yeah, it's just a couple of little points to a couple of little moments where you do feel like. Looks a little bit ropey.

Adam: Of all the sets to do it, though. I mean, this has got to be one of my favorite seasons of all the sets to start playing around. I mean, the thing is, the Android Invasion and Zygon seem to be the two that people has specifically noticed it. So be interesting to see what you think when you've watched the Android Invasion, because that does seem to be the one that people have said, oh, you know, there's like a finger goes missing in one shot and apparently Sarah's face almost goes missing or something. I don't know. That seems to be the one that people are really picking up on. But I'm gonna. As I said, I won't get to see it for another month or two, but I won't. I'm not gonna get too hung up on it. I am disappointed to see what I'm hearing. But one thing I will say, mate, like you've just said, the extras on these sets make them worth buying for them alone and that, you know, I'm just so looking forward to getting stuck into those special features when I'm back in the uk. So, yeah, it's a shame if there are bits on there which I don't approve of. But, you know. Yeah, it's just of all the sets, season 13, that's the one that these sets have become like the gold standard, haven't they? They've been so good every release, so it's just a shame if they've sort of tried something new and it hasn't exactly worked. But, yeah, I'm not going to let it ruin my enjoyment, I don't think. I don't know. I'll let you know when I. When I watched it. But, yeah, it's cool. The special features are always cool, though, so I'm looking forward to those.

Garry: They are. There is, yeah. And I've not. I've seen some of the chatter like you have online about, as you said, specifically the Android Invasion and Seeds of Doom. I think it's the other one that people have noticed a lot of things, but the Ones that I've seen. I've only noticed a couple of bits, put it that way. But I will report back, though, after watching those other two this weekend.

Adam: Yeah, let's put it this way. I won't be throwing it out the window when I get back. You know, I'll. You know, I'll try and stay calm about it. Just. We're almost doing like a merch section here, mate. Just before we wrap this up, I hear the season 10 soundtrack might be. It was announced and then nothing, wasn't it? It's like. It's like teased by the BBC. Do you think they put that out early by mistake or what? Because there's been no date or nothing since. But does it look like we're finally going to get that?

Garry: I think we are going to get it early next year. Yeah. I think. Here's the thing that's going to happen, though, right? That's going to land and nothing will happen. Yeah, like it will land. People will add it to their. To their Spotify playlist or Apple music, whatever they listen to, and then nothing. And then you'll be at an event somewhere or a con and you're chatting to people. Oh, did you listen to the series 10 soundtrack? Yeah, I did, yeah. Yeah.

Adam: I just. Every time I get an email from Silver Screen Records, I'm like, is this it? No, it's the Hobbit soundtrack or something like that. Soundtrack to Bergerac. Where's the season 10? It does look like it could be happening, which is good news.

Garry: Yeah, I'll make. That is so true as well, because Silver Screen are very good.

Adam: Oh, they're great.

Garry: But their catalog is a lot of. It's quite varied. Yeah, yeah, well, it's varied within the niche of, like, classic TV and. And all that stuff. So, yeah, when you get an email, it's like, oh, oh, this could be it, lads. This could be the one. And then, yeah, like you said, it's like Bergerac or. Yeah. Midsummer Murder soundtrack or something.

Adam: That's right, yeah.

Garry: God's sake. But you know what, mate? I can't even remember. I'm sure it's got a few belters on there, but I can't. I can't really remember in great detail some of the musical moments from. From series 10.

Adam: But also, we don't know what Murray's picked. I mean, people say, oh, yeah, that theme, you know, Clara's theme in Episode whatever was brilliant. Murray might not put it on there. He might be in one of his moods. No, they're not having it. They can have this little 22nd piece of music instead. You know, who knows what he's going to put on there? So, yeah, until we've got it, I can't get too excited.

Garry: I love that mate. He might be in one of his moods.

Adam: He could be in one of his strops. A Murray strop. You're not having it.

Garry: This is true.

Adam: Just that screechy version of the theme, you know, 10 versions of that, of the 12th Doctor scene. That's what we'll get.

Garry: Yeah. A 13 hour track of just open in 10 seconds on repeat.

Adam: Never liked that theme, that screechy violin.

Garry: Oh dear. So that's merch. Oh, we, we're missing Dalek tat, aren't we?

Adam: I know. He got mentioned on the round table. I think that's why I've been thinking about him a lot lately. He's never far from my thoughts, you know.

Garry: Same, same. Yeah, the, the, the times that we've attempted to contact him have just been met with just blanks. He just blanks us now.

Adam: Yeah, so he's left the WhatsApp group. He's, you know, he's just not. Yeah, he's not playing ball.

Garry: No, he'll come back. He'll come crawling back.

Adam: He will.

Garry: One day. Yeah, when you realize where his bread's buttered, he'll come back. Okay, Merchant News Corner, Merch Corner, that's done. Let's talk about some, some news, buddy. Doctor Who for now, the future is safe, regardless of streaming partners, etc. So I'm sure you've, you've, you've read this, mate, and our listener, you've probably read this already, but I'll just very quickly recap the, the story that landed officially from, from the BBC, they have said. And this comes from the Director of drama at BBC, Lindsay Salt. She says, we would like to thank Disney plus for being terrific global partners and collaborators over the past two seasons and for the upcoming the War between the Land and the Sea. The BBC remains fully committed to Doctor Who, which continues to be one of our most loved dramas. And we are delighted that Russell T. Davis has agreed to write us another spectacular Christmas special for 2026. We can assure fans the Doctor is not going anywhere and we will. We will be announcing plans for the next series in due course, which will ensure the TARDIS remains at the heart of the BBC. So that was from Lindsay Salt and I guess two main things to unpack from that dude. The first one being the Disney plus have been hoed out the door and the second one is that the next bit of new Doctor Who we're going to see is going to be crimbo next year, 2026. So what your thoughts on the Disney stuff, first of all, then, dude?

Adam: Well, I'm not surprised at all that Disney pulled out. I think I've just been expecting to hear that ever since series two finished. So I'm not at all surprised. They've jumped ship, mate. I can't say I blame them in all honesty. Um, but it is nice to get confirmation that new Doctor Who is going to be made. I think that's. That's the important takeaway from this, because I'll be honest, I. It did feel like we were going to be in for another wilderness years, and quite a long one. So to know we're getting a special next year. Yeah, it's only one special that's been announced so far. It does just say, you know, Dr. Who's still being produced, so we're not in for like a three or four year wilderness years. Obviously, Russell's writing it. I know that's come under some criticism. I personally would like to see Russell step away from the show now, but I don't mind that he's writing this special because I think the way he left the show at the end of the last season with the reality war and Billy Piper and all that, to be quite frank, I think it was a mess and I think he needs to come back and sort that mess out. And I just hope he delivers something fun and enjoyable. Kind of reminds us what we liked about him in the first place. Because I can't. I can't sugarcoat this, mate. He has damaged his reputation within Doctor Who fandom. There's just no doubt about that, you know, considering how much we loved his first era. So, yeah, I think it's right that Russell comes back to have one last sort of stab at the, you know, one last episode to tie up his. His second era. Some of those loose ends, I don't know if he's gonna do ever do all of them. But, yeah, I think it has to be him. You know, as much as I want to see him move on and someone new come in, and I'd like to see a new creative team with the show going forward and all of that, I do feel like, and I say this as someone who's, you know, really sort of fallen out of favor with Russell's writing, I do feel like he deserves that at least to come back and finish his era up, you know, it would be terrible if it ended with the Reality war, mate, because where do you go from that? I think when Rob Shearman got criticized recently for saying the show's as dead as it's ever been, what he was saying was, you know, the way it's been left, where do you go from there? And I think the only person that can actually do that at this point is Russell. But. But when that special's done, mate, I would like to see a lot of change, to be honest. But I'm just. Yeah, I'm just happy that we're getting another special and I think it's right that Russell comes to write it and, and finish up his era. That's what I'm hoping. If we get a Series 3 announced and he's still in charge, and I don't know how I'm going to feel about that, but if it's just one special of him doing that, I think I'm here for it, you know, and it's. It's nice to get confirmation. I mean, there's been a lot of chatter since the Reality war made that doctor who is dead. You know, there are certain YouTubers out there that have had a field day telling everyone that the show is. Is dead in the water. And I, to be honest with you, I can't blame a lot of them. That's exactly how it felt. But this is still an important brand for the BBC and I think that's what we have to remember. So when you've got not only YouTubers, but tabloid stories and everything telling the public that the show is dead, they do need to come out and just say, no, no, it's, you know, it's all. It's all good. Well, maybe not all good, but Doctor Who's still important to the BBC, you know, enough for them to want to fund a Christmas special when, let's face it, the BBC isn't in the best place financially. You know, we all know that they probably need a streaming partner to actually make a full series of Doctor Who, so the fact that they're committed to making a special for Christmas just tells you Doctor Who's still important to them. And I think that's important in itself, you know, for the fans to know that the show is still important to the BBC and that they're not just saying, oh, well, you know, the ratings were low. You know, everything in the news is. Is telling you the show's dead, so we're just going to push it under the carpet and let it die. They're not doing that. They're Saying it's still an important brand for them to, to get behind. So that in itself, I think is, is promising.

Garry: Yes, I agree. I think that's probably the, the best part of the story, to be honest with you, is not the. Not expecting sort of in depth information on the stuff or the fine details on it all, but just the BBC saying, you know, just chill everybody. You know, your beloved show is our beloved show as well, and it's not going anywhere. It's, you know, it's, it's all, it's all good. So I think that was an important statement and they needed to make that statement as well. Because you know what, it's bud with fandom and online echo chambers and all that stuff. As soon as you start drifting into territory where there's just nothing, there's no official news from anybody, fans just run away with everything. Every tiny little thing they, they run away with. And then before you know it, things that were just whispers and things that were. People have. You had just put fake stuff out there starts to gather steam like a snowball. And then before you know it, you know, everybody's like, yeah, Doctor Who's being canceled. And that becomes almost gospel because somebody started it and people picked it up and ran with it. And, and that was a thing. There was an article that, that went out on the Telegraph actually yesterday. Just to get a bit of a different opinion on that though, one of the writers over there, a guy called Alexander Lahman, there's the title of his story was it's time to Put Doctor Who Out of its Misery.

Adam: Oh, right, okay.

Garry: Yeah. So the Telegraph were reporting that, yes, the, the news from the BBC is welcome. But he then goes on to say that the best thing for the BBC would be to cancel the show completely as it's been hijacked to woke propaganda. And so they've gone down that road where as far as you know, their view is that the show has reached a point where whether you want to blame Russell or you want to blame some of the other writers or producers, whoever, they feel like the show has got to a point where it's. Nobody knows who the show's made for anymore. You've got, you've got teenagers who equally love and hate the show. You've got boomers, you know, the older generation who have grew up throughout classic who and everything, and they're just like, I don't know. Yeah, I like it. But at the same time, I don't, I don't know what's going on. And then you've got millennials who are like, it's woke as hell. What are they doing sort of thing. So you've got all this stuff going on between. Within fandom. Gone are the days, mate, where it was like an episode went out and people just liked it or didn't like it.

Adam: Yeah.

Garry: And that was it. Now it's like, you know, the whole world's on fire if somebody doesn't like it. So I do remember, though, you and I saying this was probably about 10 months ago, something like that, when we were talking about, okay, what's. What do we feel is going to happen post Ncuti'sy. I think we spoke about it just after the finale and everything. And Ncuti's here was announced that he was leaving and all that. And I remember saying to you, mate, I think they should rest the show. I think they should put it on a hiatus and give just a bit of breathing room for everything. So I guess you could call it not a hiatus. But is. That's another question for you. If. If the next brand new bit of who is not out till Christmas next year, do you feel like that's enough of a break or do you feel. Are you happy with that? Or would you rather just like, yeah, like 2029 or something? 2030 will come back with a fresh start?

Adam: Well, I'm not getting any younger, mate. But I mean, for me personally, this is where I'm at with the show. I really did not like the last series to the extent that I don't think I ever want to watch that. That series again. I mean, there might have been the odd episode that if it was on tv, I'd sit there and watch it, but I'm not gonna seek out any episode from last series, not just because of the episodes themselves, just the direction the show's gone in. And I just. It doesn't appeal to me anymore. It's gone away. I don't feel like I'm watching the Doctor land on planets and meet aliens. And, you know, it just feels like a very different show to me. And what I have to say here, by the way, is I don't expect Doctor Who to be made for me, you know, I mean, so I'm quite happy to say, yeah, Doctor Who isn't for me anymore because it's not the show. I enjoy it. It, you know, it's. It's fine. It's got its own sort of core fans, if you like that, enjoy that era. It's not for me anymore, because it's not. I want to see Doctor Who get back to more Science fiction and a lot darker and less soap opera. That's just my personal view. Right. I think I'll always watch Doctor Who, but there's a difference between watching it and enjoying it. And I don't think I've really enjoyed Doctor Who for a while now, you know, in terms of really loving it. So that's what I mean. I'm happy for Russell to come back and finish up his era. I would love to see the show. It doesn't need another rest after 2036. I just want to see a new team come in and really freshen up, you know what I mean? As much as I didn't really enjoy the Whittaker era, the one thing I'll give it absolute credit for is they tried something new and they certainly tried to refresh the brand. Whether it worked or not is. Is down to your own opinion. So I. I feel like it definitely needs a refresh after Russell's special. But I don't know if I'm going to get the sort of Doctor Who that I want to see anymore, mate. You know, I don't know if I'm going to get that feeling I get when I watch the classic era and even the first RTD era and the Moffat era. You know, I still get a certain feeling of about the show from that era, but I don't. I haven't had that feeling for quite some time with Doctor Who. So I think for myself, I've ever got to accept that the show has changed and moved on and it doesn't necessarily appeal to me or I hope that some new team will come in and bring it back to the sort of Doctor Who that I like. And again, I don't, you know, I don't want to be selfish about this. I don't expect the show to be made for me. That's just what I'd like to see, you know, whether that happens or not after the 2026 special is a totally different thing. I don't want to see Doctor Who disappear for. For another three or four years, mate. I don't. You know, I do think it needed a rest, but I think that, you know, that year that we've got between now and the new special is enough for me. Yeah. Where it goes after that, we'll see. And just to say again, mate, even if I'm not in love with the show, I think I'll always love it enough to keep watching it, you know, and I think that's proof. Just from. From the last series, I thought the last series Was, quite frankly, diabolical in places, but I still stuck with it and there was still stuff in there that I did enjoy, you know, So I think I'll always love the show, but it's just not, it's not the sort of Doctor Who that I personally want anymore. But, yeah, let's see where it goes. I just want to see a fresh team come in. I really want to see some fresh talent and fresh. A new showrunner. Somebody who wants to get it back to science fiction and less soap opera. That's what I'd like to see. But. Yeah, but I don't want to see it go off the air for years. No, I don't, I don't want another hiatus. It did need a rest. I think a year's long enough.

Garry: You think a year is long enough?

Adam: I do. I don't want to see after 2026. I don't want it to be, oh, yeah, it's going back in 2028, 2029. I think, you know, let's get the ball rolling with a fresh team and get the excitement back. That's what I'd like to see.

Garry: Gotcha. Yeah, I think, yeah, I, I, I would advocate for a longer break than that.

Adam: You would?

Garry: Because. Yeah, because I don't think a year's enough to, for, for a brand new team. Because the other thing that we're still unsure of, not that we necessarily need to know at this point, but we're not sure if this is Russell's last story.

Adam: No, no, we're not.

Garry: Or if he's after the Christmas special, he's just going to come back and it's going to be season three of his era of Doctor Who with just a new Doctor or if he's going to. That. Yeah. There has been some chat over the last few weeks about, and I think this is wrong, by the way, that Russell has been sacked from the job. I personally don't feel like he's been sacked. I feel like this is like a natural conclusion to this part of Doctor Who.

Adam: Yeah.

Garry: With, with Shooty leaving, Disney plus leaving and, and that sort of thing. So I think the Christmas special is probably going to be, you know, when, when he did the End of time part two and we had that last 10, 15 minutes where the Doctor's just gone off to revisit his old mates, old companions and people that he'd seen throughout his era. And it was like a two, like a, like a layered thing, wasn't it? Where it was David Tennant's Doctor sort of saying, Goodbye. And. But it was also Russell bringing his era of Doctor Who force full circle. So I think we're going to have something similar to that. That's what I think. I think Russell will write this in a way that it won't be as emotionally charged as that was, but it will. It will, like, bring his era, this era, second one round a little bit, and then it will be a hand over to whoever's going to pick up the mantle next and make Doctor Who from. From that point onwards. But.

Adam: That'S what I'd like to see happen. In all honesty, mate, that's what I would like to see.

Garry: Exactly. Yeah.

Adam: I'd like to see him do that, you know, if he wants to bring out the greatest hits. Because that's the other thing. Who's going to be the Doctor in the special? Is it going to be Billy? Is it going to. Is David coming back? Which is heavily rumored. And I can totally see that happening, you know, bringing out the big guns, Tennant and Piper back together, just like he did with David and. And Catherine Tate. You know what I mean? It might create a bit of buzz for people who loves that era. I can see that happening. I wouldn't be against it happening either. You know, you've got the 15th doctor floating around there, sitting in his garden. I don't know what he's been doing while all these invasions have been going on, but fair enough, bring him back, you know, have a bit of nostalgia. If you want Russell, let's do it. I'm absolutely fine with that, mate, to be honest. I know people will be like, oh, it's so stale, it's so boring. They're right. But we're at this point now where, you know, something's got to be. It's got to be wrapped up, so why not bring them back? That's what I can see happening. Tenant and Billy. But they do that fine. If they do that.

Garry: Yeah. Defo that part of it on the same page as you, mate. Yeah, that'd be totally cool. My thought on moving forward after that, though, is that a year to me, is not long enough to properly. To properly embed a new team. Because if you think about once, once the Christmas special's gone out in 2026, at the end of next year, if we're saying that we want a year's gap and there'll be new Doctor Who on the screens the following year, I don't feel like. Because it takes a good sort of, you know, six, seven months of production in both sort of filming you know, the actual cameras rolling and then sort of editing, visual effects and all that jazz. It takes a good six, seven months for all that to happen. So what we're saying is, once the Christmas special has gone out, that only gives a brand new team a few months, really, to properly take stock of what's going on. And so, for me, this is what I would personally love to happen, would be once the Christmas special's gone out, there's nothing at all in 2027. Literally nothing. All it is is just a new creative team just going through the motions of like, okay, here's everything that we feel has worked for Dr. WHO over the past however many years, five, six years, whatever. Here's everything we feel works really well. Here's all the things that we feel fandom gravitates towards. Here's all the research we've done. We feel like fandom loves all these elements of the show and they're not so keen on these elements of the show. And then here's the things that we personally, as a creative team want to do. And then how do all those three things align together? Like, how do they take, like the best bits, the not so best bits, but at the same time, how do they take some risks as well so it's not just like pandering to fandom? I'm not suggesting they do that, but they also look at, you know, what's going on and then take some risks with it as well. Some have something brand new, I feel like, and I'm no expert, but I feel like that's a good chunk of a year's worth of work.

Adam: Yeah.

Garry: And then go through all that and then you kick off your production to put stuff out in 2028. That would be my ideal thing for me.

Adam: Dude, when you put it like that, mate, I think that makes a lot of sense, actually, because I think that's the thing. How will Russell end this special? Is he going to hand it over to another team or is he gonna just, you know, do like a fake out regeneration, which he nearly did with Shooty. I almost feel like that would have been better if he'd have just done that, just, you know, had Shooty start to regenerate, forget the Billy thing. But he didn't, you know, so how's he going to end the 2026 Christmas special? Is there going to be a new team in place at that point? Are we going to get a new Doctor? Is Russell going to choose that new Doctor? There's so much uncertainty around this special. It's kind of why I'm excited for next year again now, because it's going to be nice to get those breadcrumbs, isn't it, like, you know, leading us into what's, you know, what's going to happen in this special? Who's going to be in it? Who's the Doctor? Is there a new Doctor going to be announced? Is Russell going to be writing for that Doctor? You know, there's a lot of questions going to be answered next year, so I'm excited for that. And I think it's interesting, in the wording of the article announcing the special, it says Russell has agreed to come back to write it, which does suggest he's moved on and he's agreed to come back and, as I say, hopefully wrap up his era. So I think that's interesting wording, isn't it, that he's agreed to come back. It does suggest that after the special there. There's going to be a new Right showrunner. Who that is, I don't know. Have you got any names that you could throw out there or someone you'd want?

Garry: Not off the top of my head.

Adam: Pete McTighe, is it? McTire McTee. He often gets thrown out as a name, doesn't he?

Garry: Yeah. He's too close to it, though, in my opinion. Mm. Don't get me wrong, he's a fantastic producer and writer and everything. But I. My gut says that we need somebody proper, brand new.

Adam: Yeah.

Garry: Somebody who's never written for Doctor Who before, has seen it, is aware of it, but has never been involved before. I just feel like we need someone brand new.

Adam: In terms of a fresh break, mate, I think I have to agree with you. I think it. Because I think that's what Doctor Who needs right now. It does need a complete break from what we've had the last few years. It does. You know, we need new names. No one really connected to RTD or anything like that. Just to make it feel fresh and. And bring people, have people to have, you know, to be excited for something again. You know, I think if you keep giving them the same names, the same people. Curiosity, that's the word I was looking for. We need people to be curious and interested in the show again. And if you keep throwing out the same names like, I like Pete McTighe, but, you know, you put his name out there and people instantly think RTD or Chibnall, because he's connected to that era. So a fresh break, I think, is needed. The guy from. I think it's Babylon 5 has showed a lot of interest in writing the show. I don't know his name, so I'm not. I'm not. I've not watched Babylon 5, so I'm not like a big fan or anything. But people will know. So I don't know what he'd be like. And if he's keen to do it, obviously he's got that. More science fiction, you know, he's more of a science fiction writer, I assume. So he, even though I don't know who he is, I like the fact that he's interested in doing it. And I think somebody like that might be interesting because. Yeah, I think you'd get a science fiction show from somebody who was, you know, it's written for Babylon 5. I don't know if you've ever watched it. I'm not familiar with it. I think I've seen about two episodes. So I don't know what he's like as a writer. But he's obviously quite renowned, right?

Garry: Yes. So that would be Joseph Michael Straczynski. That's the one also referred to as jms. So I'm not. I'm not really. I haven't really watched many things that he's written off a screen, but I am a huge fan of his comic book writing.

Adam: Okay, so that sounds promising.

Garry: Yeah. So he did a massive run on Spider man back in the. When was it? It was back in like, I don't know, 2000s, early 2000s. Did a really long run on. On Spider man and I've got a couple of the omnibuses of that. Very, very good. And yeah, I think Babylon 5 is what he's most known for.

Adam: Yeah.

Garry: On screen as well as a series called Sense8, I believe. Sense8, yeah. Both of them really well, really well done, as far as I know. I have seen a few of his films so that he had sort of co writing duties on. So World War Z was really good. Yeah. And also, what was it? One of the underworld films, I think. Don't quote me on that. So, yeah, I think somebody like that would be really good because the, the sci fi chops and everything would be there. Right. He would have a great sort of grounding in what makes a good science fiction show. After working on those things, I can guarantee you though, mate, that there would be a huge immediate backlash of criticism because it's. It's an American writer.

Adam: Yeah. I mean, let's face it, mate, whoever, whoever gets chosen is going to be criticism. It's just the way fandom is These days, it's like, you know, you're never going to please anyone. But I just would like to see somebody like that given a crack at it. And those shows and that you've mentioned, you know, that's really promising. You know, that's the kind. That's the kind of thing I want Dr. Who to be more like. I think that sort of just more science fiction, I keep saying. I just want it to get back to being more like season 13 from the. You know, from the top. That's the kind of Doctor Who I like. Yeah.

Garry: Yeah. And it wouldn't bother me if. If we had an American writer. That bothers me. Zero.

Adam: Yeah, same. It doesn't bother me at all.

Garry: Yeah, no problem with that. The other. The other people that I'd like to see do it would be, you know, the Duffer Brothers who do Stranger Things.

Adam: Yeah, yeah.

Garry: I think they would have a real good crack. A real good crack it. Because they're so. They're like the masters of, like, cinematic TV for tv, if that makes sense. Like, every single episode of Stranger Things looks like a proper blockbuster film.

Adam: And the last series was phenomenal, wasn't it? It was so good. The last. Because, I mean, you know, series two did Peter Off a bit for me. I thought, oh, I'm not sure about it. Or was it season three? I can't remember one of the seasons. I thought, oh, it's lost its way a bit. But the last season, Strangers Things, my word, it was so something else. I'm really hoping the finale season that's coming up justifies, you know, it is as good because I don't know how they can top the last season, if you know what I mean, but it was phenomenal. Oh, yeah. I'd love to see those guys have a crack at it. That'd be amazing.

Garry: Yeah. Even if they did like a one off, you know, you brought them in to do a one off to. I'm not suggesting they're showrunners. I think that would be quite expensive that. I think. Even if. Even if they partner. Actually, I don't know if they partnered with Netflix then, because I know the Duffer Brothers have got a very good relationship with Netflix. I think if they. The BBC, now that Disney plus has been set on fire, I think if Netflix came on board, that wouldn't be beyond, you know, impossibility. I think. Yeah, that could be a thing.

Adam: I've got a vision of Mickey Mouse running around a burned house now. Yeah, no, they would be cool, mate. They would be good.

Garry: Yeah. There's probably a bunch of names, people who have never worked on who before. That would be very good. And, yeah, I honestly feel like we need somebody like. Like that. It wouldn't be the end of the world, you know, if, like, I don't know if one of the existing people took a shot at it, like Phil Collinson or. Or we were saying Pete McTighe or those. So it wouldn't be the end of the world, but, yeah, the only thing with that is that they come with plenty of baggage, don't they?

Adam: That's the word, mate. Baggage. I mean, even the mothball. Who. I absolutely love Stephen Moffat, but, you know, he needs to just. He's done some great stuff. Go down the pub, get a pint or a glass of red, wherever you prefer, and just sit back and just feel happy that you've, you know, you've submitted some great Doctor Who to us and that's enough. You don't need to keep coming back. The thing is, with a fresh name, mate, it would excite people as well. I think there's a lot of people out there that have sort of fallen out of love with the show, and I count myself, sadly in that a little bit. And I think you throw a fresh name out there as a showrunner, maybe even a name that you're not familiar with, it instantly intrigues you. Oh, who's that? What have they done? Oh, what are they, you know, what could they do with the show? You know? So I think that's what we need right now. Well, that's what we need at the end of 2026 is we need. We need that spark of excitement over something new coming, but also something familiar in terms of, you know, the show.

Garry: Yes, agreed.

Adam: One other thing, mate, I forgot to ask you. When I was talking about which Doctor we might get and Russell wrapping up his stuff and I. There was a name that I forgot to say that I'm hoping we're going to see in the 2026 special, and that's Susan, because I feel like that thread. Well, I think if RTD is going to do it, I think he should follow through with the Susan arc that he obviously planned, because I do. I'm still gutted that we did get to see her in the final, even though I think what we've heard would have been the scene doesn't sound that great with her stood watching the Doctor from afar and all that with a kid who calls her Mum. Is it? I can't remember some strange ending that Russell had filmed. So, anyway, Yeah, I would like to see Susan. I think Susan, Billy and David again. It's all a bit stale but, you know, I'd still go with it. I still think that would be interesting. I'd watch it for sure. So.

Garry: Yeah.

Adam: Do you want to see Susan back for that special or you kind of dumb?

Garry: Yeah, I wasn't grown it. I wasn't growing because I wasn't into the idea. I was more kind of like, ah. Because she. It honestly felt like she was going to play a much bigger part. Yeah. In that. Because it seems so random the way that they left it to bring back somebody like Susan for like one frame.

Adam: Oh, it's ridiculous.

Garry: Well, it's more than a frame but you know, like literally just five seconds of screen time.

Adam: Yeah.

Garry: And. And that's it. It's like, that's so random and weird to do that. There absolutely is more to that story that we didn't see regarding Susan, which I think we're all aware of anyway. There's no way that she would come back just for that one line and that small bit. So I would love to see her back to. To finish off. You know, like I mentioned earlier about. Russell likes to do this thing where he brings everything to a nice neat sort of close almost. I feel like that would be such an epic, big ass close out to this modern part of Doctor Who and they could really set the stage for something properly brand new moving on from that. They could really put a big sort of creative stamp in the line in the sand and say, right, okay, everything from this point onwards. I don't know, mate, maybe it's just a. Like everything from this point onwards is something that you've never ever seen in Doctor Who before. So, you know, sit tight, you know, we've got some good new stuff happening. My, My gut tells me on this one though, that it will be a. It will be a cliffhanger and we'll have some RTD baggage carried over to whatever comes next for Doctor Who. That's what my. I want it not, not to be the case, but I'm. I feel like that's going to be the thing.

Adam: Yes. I also have that gut feeling. I really hope we're both wrong, but that's. Yeah, I have that gut feeling as well, but I. You know what, mate? The more I'm thinking about this, the more we're talking through it and the more I'm picturing, like you said, but like the end of time ending that Russell gave to his first era if he could sort of somehow Capture a little bit of that magic again, if we just got a really nice episode from him and it kind of. I'd forgive a little bit of, you know, fan service if you like him throwing in a few old companions, maybe, you know, bring back a few characters just to say bye, you know, even if it's a bit of a copy of the End of Time, I don't mind because I think, yeah, it would be nice just to, to have that feeling again if he can get it right. You know, we used to say, Jack, Cassie. Well, I don't know, we'll see. Cassie and Jack, right? But you never know. But we used to say how good Russell was at writing, you know, emotion, didn't we? And that's what I've been missing is it's not made me feel much apart from anger and annoyance mostly. But it'd be nice to feel a warm glow at the end of the 2026 special, wouldn't it? Even if it's a bit cheesy or a bit. Oh, you know, I wouldn't care if I felt something other than disappointment. I would be happy.

Garry: Same. Yeah, exactly that, mate. Because I do kind of miss. I miss those scenes where you come away from Doctor Who thinking, I've just been punched in the gut emotionally. And I'm going to be thinking and talking about this for, for ages now. And if we like both sides of it as well, like the real sort of raw emotional stuff. You remember when we had that scene where Wilf is trapped in the, in the glass box in the glass case and the Doctor realizes that the only way to save him is, is to sacrifice himself in the other one. And you know when, you know when the Doctor's on the floor and he is wealth tapping on the glass, those.

Adam: Four knocks, he's like, it had to be you.

Garry: Yeah. You know, things, things like that, where you're just.

Adam: I still remember it. That's what I mean. It's.

Garry: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Word for word. And also the, the music that was happening as well and everything like that. There were a few scenes in Ncuti's his era where they tried to do that, but I feel like it didn't quite. I don't, I don't remember those two, those last two seasons and those. In the same way that I do like what I've just mentioned with that wolf scene and stuff like that. And then the other side of the coin is just the good old fashioned. And I don't want to turn this into like a throwing shade or a bashing thing, but you Know when Murray Golds used to have that big sort of bombastic tune when they were just literally running away from a. From somebody down a corridor. And it was either Matt Smith Dr. With I am the Doctor playing or just a big sort of theme with tenants Doctor legging away from something. And it's just got that fun, exciting sort of thing. I want to come away with those kind of things again.

Adam: Yeah, I mean, even you just describing that scene, mate, made me feel something like. Like I said, it instantly brought up the memory of what the Doctor says, you know, I mean, one of my favorite ever scenes makes me cry every time. I love watching it is the 9th Doctor hologram scene where he tells Rose to have a good life. And it's just. There's one shot where he turns his head and looks at. Just even thinking about that scene makes me feel quivery and emotional, you know, and it's how old now, that scene, it's still embedded in my brain, you know. Again, I don't want to get into bashing the Ncuti's here. I'm not, you know, we're not going there. But there's nothing I can think of off top of my head that made me feel anything near that. But if we can feel just something like that at the end of the 2026 special, I hope he gets a title since I'm really struggling to say it. 2026 special. Yeah, it would just be great, wouldn't it?

Garry: Just.

Adam: Just to feel a bit of warmth towards Russell rather than what I felt at the end of the reality war.

Garry: Yeah, same, yeah. Deary me. So lots, lots to sort out, lots to do with the. The sort of immediate future for Doctor Who in terms of Russell putting this Christmas special together, which I assume he's written or has at least got a decent chunk of, like a story treatment done or something like that. As we are sort of very quickly approaching the end of 2025, I would imagine whatever they're doing will. The cameras will need to start rolling in the next few months.

Adam: It needs to be that soon. Would they? Yeah, I was going to ask you that When. When you think they'd start Ncuti'sing it?

Garry: Well, it probably need to be sort of April ish at the latest, I would say. So we're at the end of October now, so November, December, January, March, April. So five months, that's five months worth of script treatments going around the block with all that planning, budgets, all that jazz. So, yeah, I imagine they've got somewhere, some part of it done for a story, so. Fingers crossed, mate. That Russell has taken. I'm not going to say that Russell's listened because we know he listens anyway.

Adam: Yeah.

Garry: But fingers crossed that, Russell, you've at least taken a few little bullet points down if you want to. You know, we're not expecting payment for this. Take it. Take it and do it. Do with it as you will.

Adam: Yes.

Garry: Or whatever. So, yeah, that's the. That's the big news that's landed in the last 48 hours, which is the BBC putting the. Basically stamping their commitment to Doctor Who moving forward. What that looks like, who we're not, nobody knows yet. The only thing we know of is the Christmas special coming up. The other bit of news that dropped, mate, was the date being brought forward for the spin off the War between the Land and the Sea. So for the last few months, everybody was under the impression that this was going to drop next year because a combination of the BBC and Disney not actually saying anything in terms of when it was going to land. So that left it a little bit in limbo. But then there was a kind of sprinkling of those sort of TV listing websites. They had seen it added to the schedule and it would listed it as 2026. So everybody was under the impression it was going to land next year. The statement that dropped from the BBC about this, the main story when they were talking about the. The Disney plus thing, they then went on to say that, that they look forward to the war between land and sea heading to BBC iPlayer and BBC One later this year. So now everyone's like, oh, okay, it's now this year it's going to drop. And then they've now put out a bit more of a confirmed statement. So Russell has said, because he's the creator, writer, exec, producer on this, he said this is a huge, spectacular Christmas treatment with heroes and monsters and battles and romance in a world on the edge of disaster. And remember, Watch the Seas. And so I think that's like a little play on the X Files. I used to say, like, watch the. Watch the Skies or something like that, but. Oh, yeah, so, yeah, so he's basically said that this is going to be a Christmas treat. So one can assume the week of Christmas, Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, Boxing Day, around that time, it sounds like.

Adam: Yeah, it could be. Do you think they'll do a Christmas going into New Year or so, as was it five episodes? So, yeah, it could be the lead up to Christmas, I reckon.

Garry: Is it five?

Adam: I don't know where I've got that from. I've just got the five episode thing in my head, but it probably is.

Garry: Yes.

Adam: I'm just looking at the new promo images that they've released today actually, because I'm going to be honest, I haven't this. I've not been excited for this spin off in the slightest. But something about them bringing it forward and closer to Eren is. It sparked a little interest in me, I'm not going to lie. And they've released some new promo pics today and they look pretty good. We can finally see a sea devil in the background. So the picture that we've had of this other creature, we're not sure what it is, they've now sort of released sort of wider shot and you can see two sea devils stood behind, you know, this. It looks like a female creature. I don't know what that is. New design from what I can see, mate. Looks pretty good. I mean you can't really see much but you can see, you can tell it's a sea devil. It's definitely a redesign of the Sea Devil. But yeah, from what I can see from this promo pic, I'm liking the look of that. I mean I, I loved, I loved the redesign in the Jody episode. What was it called? I mean it was the worst episode ever, but it was. The redesign of the Sea Devils was really good in that episode. What was it called?

Garry: Oh, Legend of Legend.

Adam: See though.

Garry: Of the Sea Devil.

Adam: Yeah, yeah. I mean I really liked the redesign of that because they really didn't tinker too much with it. This is definitely a redesign. You know, they've definitely changed a lot of the features, the body armor and everything. But yeah, looks pretty good. Have you seen these Premier picks? Have you got any thoughts on these?

Garry: Yes, I'm looking at now, mate, before I do that, you are correct. So they say that this is a five part series.

Adam: It is five. Yeah, I thought it was.

Garry: Yeah, definitely five. Yeah. My apologies, mate. Yeah, it looks really good. They've got this full kind of key art poster which I assume is going to be the background for the actual poster. They're going to put like the logo on the top half of it and some other bits. You see the sea devils sort of waist high in the sea and they're in front of New York City, which is interesting locale for it. And the other one is Kate Stewart and the unit crew. So we know that this is a. Basically a unit story. And. And then the other image that you mentioned with what looks like the, the lead character from the Sea Devil side and then the other two Sea devils behind her and they. I'm not hating it, mate. I must be honest. I thought, you know, sometimes we can get a bit precious as fans with these iconic monsters and things like that, but I'm not. I'm not hating it, put it that way. I feel I've said this for a while now. I. I do honestly think that this could be a really good series. This has the, you know, stupid title aside. This has the potential to be a. A pretty good little series. I'm getting, like, vibes of early Torchwood.

Adam: Yes.

Garry: About it. And so, yeah, it's been brought forward to Krimbo and you'll be able to watch it. So those of you in the UK, it will be on iPlayer and BBC One and then exclusively on Disney plus outside of the UK, where you get. Where it's available. So this, it will obviously close out the Disney plus BBC Doctor Who relationship. This will be the last. Their last Majuki.

Adam: Yeah, I've gone from. I've gone from not giving a fish finger about this spin off to. To actually, I'm getting a little bit pulled in, mate. Yeah.

Garry: I'm gonna watch it just for the halibut.

Adam: Oh, boom, boom. I am. I actually feel like this is sort of needed, actually. As I said, I needed a bit of a break from Doctor Who. I've had that little break. I've kind of let my anger from the finale simmer down because at the end of the day, it's only TV show and I'm now ready to get back on board and. And see what. What we've got coming up. So I am feeling a little bit of a buzz for this. Yeah. And I think as we build up to it, it's only. Was it December we said is coming.

Garry: So it's in a couple of months. Yeah.

Adam: Yep. I'm ready for it, I think.

Garry: Yeah. It's going to be fin. Tastic.

Adam: Oh, no, stop now.

Garry: Yeah, and it's a good news that we've had the official news. Official.

Adam: Oh, my word.

Garry: Official news.

Adam: What's happened? Garry's been replaced with a.

Garry: What's going on?

Adam: Oh, dear.

Garry: I'm just squidding. I'm just squidding.

Adam: Oh, no, he's.

Garry: Come on, come on. Yeah, don't worry about it. It's all good. Yeah, I've. I've. I'm gonna watch this and put my heart and soul into it.

Adam: Saving these up, listeners. He's. He's been waiting for this moment. Wow.

Garry: Anyway, let's stop. Let's stop clown fishing.

Adam: Around.

Garry: Oh, and. And we'll. We'll finish it up there. But we'll finish it up there.

Adam: Oh, no.

Garry: And tune her in for next time. There's some more.

Adam: Head in my hands. There can't be more.

Garry: Adam's Kraken up.

Adam: Oh.

Garry: He'S cracking up.

Adam: No.

Garry: Come on.

Adam: No, no. Oh, dear. If this is what it's going to be like reviewing this series, I. I don't know if I can take it when we come to review it.

Garry: What a load of Pollocks. A load of Pollock.

Adam: Oh, wow.

Garry: Sorry, mate. Anyway, anyway, the war between the land and the sea now confirmed very nicely with some other news that it will be landing. It says Christmas from Russell. So we are going. You'd never should us. You should never assume, of course, listener, but we are going to assume here with an educated guess that that means Christmas week somewhere.

Adam: I'm looking forward to having something to review. I'll say that it'd be nice to get back behind the mic and have a series to review again, even if it is just five eps. That's something, isn't it?

Garry: Indeed, yes. All right then, bud. So, after wrapping up some really meaty news for a change and having an awesome time being back behind the mic and chatting with you, buddy, let's wrap it there for episode 430.

Adam: Alrighty.

Garry: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much, listener, for coming back and listening to another episode of the Big Blue box. That was 430. An hour breakdown and our thoughts on the news that's landed from Doctor Who. What we feel about that, our own thoughts on stuff. I hope you've enjoyed our breakdown of that stuff. You can leave a comment on the website, head over to Victoria Box Podcast uk. You'll be able to leave a comment there or hit us up on the socials. What do you think about what should happen with the future of Doctor Who? Do you feel like we should just keep the train rolling with the tracks going down before the train has a chance to stop? Or would you prefer a bit of a break and a breather for a while as well? Let us know. You can find us on on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, threads, all the things. Hit us up there and let us know what you think. Remember to subscribe and to follow in your preferred podcast app of choice so you won't miss this future episodes. Plus the roundtables with the writing team as well. And also talking to the writing team, make sure you check out their articles and reviews over on the website. You can also jump into our free Discord server as well link on our website. Come and chat Doctor Who over there, bud. It's been awesome to chat Doctor Who with you once more.

Adam: It has, mate. It's been great to get back with the mic and get some stuff off my chest. Yeah, it's been really good. Good to be back indeed.

Garry: Yes. So we will be back at some point to talk Doctor Who. Probably one or two new stories and then we'll dive into the land war between Land and the sea and all those reviews, etc. So until next time, take care of yourselves and remember la.